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re: What is a good 401(K) balance target for someone that's 35 years old?

Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:33 pm to
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3459 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:33 pm to
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If you aren't putting 18000 in your plan every year you are throwing away money


That's exactly what I have been doing for the past 4 years. However I wonder if I should also look at creating a stream of income that won't be taxed in the future. Who knows how much tax I will have to pay when I start drawing from my 401(K) 30-35 years from now?

Anybody have any tips of some of the ways of diversifying the cash flow between taxed and non-taxed streams after retirement? I understand life insurance can help with this, although I know nothing about it. Any others?
Posted by tigers1956
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
4767 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:06 am to
I work for a company out of texas that covers the southeastern part of the country....amazingly 46% of the employees don't even belong to 401K......and have no interest in joining.....
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:47 am to
Are you eligible for Roth IRA?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:55 am to
quote:

Just trying to get a feel for where one needs to be in terms of their 401(K) savings by the time they hit mid-30s.


can't get even close without knowing your starting point age, current income, current $ 401K.

also, pay attention to safety along the way, not just getting to a target number. if it all goes POOF, your 10% a year last three years won't be worth spit.

Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3459 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:48 am to
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can't get even close without knowing your starting point age, current income, current $ 401K.


Started investing in 401(K) when I was 26-27, but only in small amounts. Didn't start putting serious money / maximizing yearly contribution till I was 31. Currently sitting at $150K (gross income is about the same) and I am about to turn 35.

Wife didn't starting working full-time till she was 31 because of grad school and stuff. She is 33 now and has $18K in her 401(K) and she is now contributing the yearly maximum to her 401(K) too. Neither of us are eligible for IRA or Roth.

Have about 6 months of living expenses saved up. We have a decent amount of investment in stocks, MF and ETFs. We have a 10 month old kid for whose college education we haven't started a 529 plan or anything like that yet.

I am thinking I am doing okay on the 401(K) front. But my wife has some catching up to do.
Posted by tigersnipen
Member since Dec 2006
2085 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 6:16 am to
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Neither of us are eligible for IRA or Roth.


You can do a traditional IRA (not subjected to income limits, you can not deduct contributions though) and backdoor it into a roth.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 7:12 am to
quote:

You can do a traditional IRA (not subjected to income limits, you can not deduct contributions though)



So I use after tax income to put it but the growth is tax free as long as I don't take it out until age 65, then it's taxed?
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 8:20 am to
Traditional IRA is pretax. When you convert to Roth, you pay tax. But now that money grows tax free forever, even when withdrawn. If the money was left in the traditional IRA, withdrawals would be taxed as income.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 8:35 am to
quote:

Traditional IRA is pretax



Not for me

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 8:37 am to
Gross income at 35

3x gross income at 45

5x gross income at 55

8x gross income at 65
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82010 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 8:41 am to
quote:

If you aren't putting 18000 in your plan every year you are throwing away money
hope this is sarcasm.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Not for me


Even if you aren't able to deduct contributions, once it becomes a Roth account, you're done paying taxes on that money.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:14 am to
So regardless of income I can open an Ira with post tax money and then convert that to a Roth

Do I need to open a new Ira each year to do this? Do I need an accountant to do these things? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
Member since Mar 2007
23111 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:21 am to
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Gross income at 35

3x gross income at 45

5x gross income at 55

8x gross income at 65
Does this assume that the 401k is your only retirement savings vehicle?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:24 am to
quote:

Does this assume that the 401k is your only retirement savings vehicle?


These factors assume your house will be paid for by 65 (I think) and that you receive SS.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72484 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:25 am to
quote:

If you aren't putting 18000 in your plan every year you are throwing away money




complete and utter bullshite. run back to the rant son.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17954 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:00 am to
When do you want to retire?

What do you expect your lifestyle/income to be like just before retirement?

What do you expect your lifestyle to be like in retirement?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4081 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:11 am to
quote:

That's exactly what I have been doing for the past 4 years. However I wonder if I should also look at creating a stream of income that won't be taxed in the future. Who knows how much tax I will have to pay when I start drawing from my 401(K) 30-35 years from now?


Does your company offer a Roth 401K?
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