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re: What I'd do different next time: A real estate agent/transaction story/rant

Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:43 am to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20512 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:43 am to
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What if I am fine with it taking two months to sell the house?


Years ago that would be one thing, but with computer programs and everyone having access to online listings people are looking themselves all the time and automatic searches are ran daily. So for a house to sit for 'months' usually means it is overpriced or you are waiting for a new buyer. People throw out a price to high to see if they get bites, and then after 2-3 months on the market someone will low ball to test the waters or they lower it. Basic capitalism.

Again though, that is on the seller not their realtor. A realtor's job is to pull comps and help the buyer use them to set a price. If the market is hot they may recommend a price slightly above comps as the market goes up, and vice Versa.

But it's routine for the realtor and seller to set a price above comps and still get a full asking price offer. Whose fault is that?

Op never discussed the comps and what his offer was compared to them. For all we know he got the price of the comps, just not more than them.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 8:44 am
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3663 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:55 am to
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Did the OP ever say what his house appraised for after


Brings up another good point-I would have maybe required its disclosure as part of accepting their offer.

I couldn't ever find out...which just created more frustration. I'm not sure if my realtor ever asked them for it, or if the appraiser would even tell her. She kinda held the line on "the seller doesn't usually get that info unless value is below agreed price since we aren't the ones that paid for it." She says the appraiser usually gives her a general heads up that it was good or that there was a problem, never an exact number.

I'm not losing any sleep over this whole deal-I walked away from the closing table with a check on a property that I was well upside down on 3 years ago and I've made enough mistakes and left just enough money on the table to be a little butthurt and very motivated to learn a TON from this in how to maximize the next one.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1321 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:52 pm to
Generally the sellers big mistake is not getting a certified appraisal done before hiring an agent and the buyers big mistake is not getting a survey prior to purchase.

Real estate agents will give you their opinion of market price after looking at your property for 15 minutes. Many if not most agents are not appraisers. Their opinion of value is often based on getting an offer showing the house for a minimum # of times.

Agents also give opinions on locations of property lines which are based on here say and quite often wrong by a large margin.


This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28351 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 5:38 pm to
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Real estate agents will give you their opinion of market price after looking at your property for 15 minutes. Many if not most agents are not appraisers. Their opinion of value is often based on getting an offer showing the house for a minimum # of times


This is about as clueless of post as you will ever see. Do you really think an agent just looks at a house for 15 minutes and whips up some random number?
What in the hell are you babbling about their sense of value is showing the property a set amount of times? That has no basis in reality and I'm completely puzzled why you would make that assertion.

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Agents also give opinions on locations of property lines which are based on here say and quite often wrong by a large margin.


What in the hell are you talking about? If there is some question about property lines, its proper to have a survey done, but it's mostly up to the homeowner to provide this information.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1321 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:30 pm to
After 30 years of appraising and surveying property and the hundreds of stories "that's not what the agent told me" gives me a little extra incite, but of course that is just in my immediate area.

In my area, agents give their opinions of property values and locations of property lines all the time when they aren't qualified, certified or licensed to do so.

The next point is you are dealing with professional services and the lowest price may not be the best value. Do you pick a doctor or lawyer based upon the lowest price?

I hope this is just a local problem and not state wide.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:22 pm to
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I suggested that we go back to both and explain that we had multiple offers, and that they should submit their absolute best offer.

As a buyer I would have walked away after hearing this. I'm not negotiating against myself. Especially since there are other houses for sale in the neighborhood at similar prices.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
4538 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:37 pm to
Don't understand how that's negotiating against yourself unless you're implying the statement that there are multiple offers was a lie.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3641 posts
Posted on 8/5/17 at 8:25 am to
It isn't negotiating against yourself.

Not to mention if you were actually looking to buy a house, you also looked at those "other houses" and decided to put in an offer on the OPs. You, or more importantly your wife, want the house you put an offer on. You aren't going to walk away, you just might not increase your bid or make any additional concessions. And the OP still has the other potential buyer that also liked his house enough to put in an offer.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 9:02 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25575 posts
Posted on 8/5/17 at 8:48 am to
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Generally the sellers big mistake is not getting a certified appraisal done before hiring an agent and the buyers big mistake is not getting a survey prior to purchase. Real estate agents will give you their opinion of market price after looking at your property for 15 minutes. Many if not most agents are not appraisers. Their opinion of value is often based on getting an offer showing the house for a minimum # of times. Agents also give opinions on locations of property lines which are based on here say and quite often wrong by a large margin.


Atrocious advice. An appraiser will NEVER give a random homeowner the same appraisal number he will give a lender that needs to hit a number to get a loan closed. To spend money for this outcome and handcuff yourself what is assuredly a low end estimate of fair market value is dumb. And that appraisal is public. Good luck getting another appraisers 30 days later to stick his neck out to get you 10k higher. You have 10 different appraisers appraise a property all 10 will have different amounts.

You push the market, you make buyer spend his money, and you make appraiser tell loan officer his loan package is in jeopardy because he couldn't find value in the appraisal. Even if buyer comes back with a lower amount and you renegotiate you can almost guarantee appraisal did all he could to squeeze every dollar of value in your home. And did it on buyers dime and in bank/mtg brokers best interest.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20512 posts
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:37 am to
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After 30 years of appraising and surveying property


No disrespect, but an appraisal is not that difficult to do. You take comparable homes in the neighborhood that previously sold and determine what they sold per square feet, and then compare that to the House X. Its not rocket science, its not like an experienced or even inexperienced realtor can't do the same and get extremely close in 15 minutes. An appraisal is just done officially for legal and business use.

Banks sell foreclosures often with this method:
1.) Under price unit for sale
2.) Set date that any offers have to be in by (i.e. 21 days after initial MLS entry)
3.) If multiple offers, give all offers 3 or 7 days to submit best and highest.

That's a great way to do it. Its proven that pricing low and then getting a bidding war can often get a higher price than pricing high and then getting low bids. People get excited and use their emotions in what should be an emotionless transaction. You also get potential buyers that otherwise may have been "priced out". Smart buyers set a firm price range, so instead of setting a house at $185k and hoping for $180k that a buyer that has a limit of $175k may not even look at, you under price at $175k and then suck those buyers in with a bidding war.

The key, is to give people time. No way in hell you should accept an offer within 7 days of being on the MLS. Delay it, I've bought properties where the seller was "in europe" or "on vacation" for 10-14 days. Use a BS excuse or don't, but give the property at least 2 weeks on the market if not 3. Then, after 14-21 days tell anyone that submitted an offer to resubmit their best and final because its a multiple offer situation.

Its the absolute best way to try and get your best price. Its not perfect, no method is.
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1321 posts
Posted on 8/5/17 at 3:43 pm to
What was I thinking to suggest using a certified, registered or licensed professional to assist with the decision making on the largest financial decision in someone's life.

I just made an appointment with my plumber, on Monday he will review and advise me on my IRA investments.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 4:01 pm
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