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re: what are the 10 best stocks to buy that pay a dividend

Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:53 pm to
I agree with you on starbucks. I will probably buy more here soon. I think Apple is great to get in on with its dividend growth rate and payout ratio of something like 25%.
Recently got out of Visa and Nike with gains, but I like both companies.

I need to add more Dividends right now to the healthcare/ biotech sector. Probably Adding to Amgen, but if anyone has a better stock that pays dividends with growth in that sector. Throw me some suggestions.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:53 pm to
I always respect your analysis on stocks omada, are there any stocks you've looked at recently with some solid dividend growth rates?
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:04 pm to
I dont invest in biotech HYDRebs, that is a timebomb waiting to happen did you see BMY today? Dear lord and thats one of cramers favorites haha, I honestly just dont know the space to understand whats what, and stuff is always coming off patent but god bless you if you want to invest in that space. Ill stick to soccer moms buying overpriced lattes forever lol
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:15 pm to
Not a big biotech person either, but thats why I need to add to my position in that sector with my dividend portfolio. Way underweighted . Leaning more towards GILD due to the charts, but their d/e scares me a little. Amgen looks like a fairly safe biotech with its product line, so also looking into them.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:18 pm to
is this BMY a buy, it has a decent div i see? I just saw it down 20% today and I know cramer is always pimping it as his favorite. It got smoked thats for sure but I dont even know if I want the headache of this stuff haha.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Crazy4OU
Fort Worth
Member since Oct 2005
80 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:21 pm to
I think most of these are pretty overvalued and would probably not buy them today. These are some of my favorites and I own most of them.

MKC
BDX
NKE
SBUX
V
MA
SHW
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
695 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:27 pm to
I don't really look at growth rates. I look at yields, the sustainability of those payouts, and valuations of the stock. So if I'm looking for a dividend payer, I want at least a 3% annual yield. I'll also wonder what's up with the valuation if yield is above 5% in a stock that isn't a utility or some blue chips. I also want net income and operating cash flows to exceed annual payouts plus some margin for error. And I want to pay a fair or lower price for the stock - buying a value stock with a respectable dividend gives you multiple possibilities for a payoff.

That's for dividend stocks. If I'm looking for something else, my criteria changes, and I may even see dividends as a negative under certain criteria. But my criteria are based on what is acceptable and sensible to me. Others may very well have alternatives better suited for them.
Posted by Tiger4life306
Member since Apr 2016
420 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Honestly I think your disagreement with dabigfella further proves my point: what is best for one person isn't necessarily best for all. One person prefers consistency, another prefers growth, another yield or value. Each choice can be right for different people, and it's hard to say what stocks are best (particularly for the OP) with thousands of stocks to choose from and who knows how many funds.


Yeah, I agree with the first post you made, and I was surprised people downvoted your first post. I just hope people that see your post don't look at it, see down votes and think- "well I'm not taking this guys advice", because I think you make a valid point so when I see they down voted you/me I'm just thinking LOL!

As for dabgifella, starbucks for ex. is a great company but SBUX is in growth mode right now and while they do pay a dividend, paying dividends is going to come secondary when times are tight- that's all I'm saying.
People that own JNJ, CVX, T, etc. own it for the dividend and the company is obligated to make sure they consistently pay that dividend because if they miss, that's going to scare their shareholders and potentially create a sell-off...the shareholders that own those stocks really want that dividend.

This brings me back to square one, the parameters the OP asked about was basically - what are some good dividend paying stocks... Not knowing the OP's risk tolerance, time horizon, liquidity needs, etc. I'm going to post the more conservative answer
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:42 pm to
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People that own JNJ, CVX, T, etc. own it for the dividend and the company is obligated to make sure they consistently pay that dividend because if they miss, that's going to scare their shareholders and potentially create a sell-off...the shareholders that own those stocks really want that dividend.


Obligated to make the dividend payment? Kinder Morgan shareholders found out the hard way a little while ago there is no such thing as an obligation and Kinder Morgan was a dividend monster for years and year, even the chairman rich kinder who took no salary and had $10B of stock cut the dividend big time to save the company. Nobody is obligated to anything, dont ever think that, and I wish you well in your investing journey, but looking at the past is no way to judge the future. How many people are cutting cords today? Do you think ATT is going to still be selling cable subscriptions at a growing rate over the next decade? I sure as hell dont. CVX is paying $4.28 in dividends this year right? Well they earned a net of .24 cents, yes 24 whole cents over the last 2 quarters. What happens if that continues for a little longer than people think? We're approaching this november of 2 years of oil being cheap and oil,its down what 20% in the past few weeks?

All I know is starbucks to me is alot safer than ATT or CVX moving forward. The insatiable thirst of a consumer to drop $2-5 on a cup of coffee or tea is alot more guaranteed to me than ATT picking up new subscribers or retaining old ones. Oil is a commodity thats all over the place and Im plenty invested in oil in real life so I dont have any in my portfolio thats all Ill say about that. I personally was someone who used to spend $300/mo with ATT for uverse + internet and now I pay just for internet and then hulu,amazon prime,netflix for a total of like $30/mo now. Im mid 30s, im sure the number of people doing that will accelerate over the coming years. I just cant hold ATT just bc of a monster yield, there is serious disruption in the cable industry and if ESPN ever gets standalone or goes with Netflix/Hulu/Amazon it might be the kiss of death to the ATT cable package. Things like Starbucks appeal to me because I see ZERO disruption or risk on the horizon. There isn't even a threat of a global coffee chain out there as we speak, the ventures into Tea,Juice,etc are all gravy right now. Everyone says its just coffee, but its more than that its an experience the way apple doesnt just make phones. You're never gonna take a date to mcdonalds or dunkin donuts for coffee, kids are never gonna study at Mcdonalds. Those are all silly arguments. SBUX is cementing itself as that mcdonalds or coca cola investment of say 1985 all over again
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

is this BMY a buy, it has a decent div i see? I just saw it down 20% today and I know cramer is always pimping it as his favorite. It got smoked thats for sure but I dont even know if I want the headache of this stuff haha.


Don't follow BMY real closely. After giving it a quick look I wouldn't jump in even after today's sharp decline. Still looks over valued with its high p/e and very small dividend growth from last years to this years. Looks like 1cent a year or 2.5% growth rate at current rate. There's more entertaining stuff out there particularly in that field. Again don't know the companies forensics very well.

Back on topic my top 10 I own right now that pay dividends. In no particular order

F
SBUX
PG
JPM
T
AAPL
GM
RDS B
KO
INTC
Posted by Tiger4life306
Member since Apr 2016
420 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Obligated to make the dividend payment? Kinder Morgan shareholders found out the hard way a little while ago there is no such thing as an obligation and Kinder Morgan was a dividend monster for years and year

Look at the market capitalization of T compared to KMI, T has almost 6 times the market cap. as KMI, so not exactly the same story.

quote:

Kinder Morgan was a dividend monster for years and years
T has been paying theres every quartyer since the early 80's. KMI has only been around since 1997. So there's that.

quote:

Do you think ATT is going to still be selling cable subscriptions at a growing rate over the next decade?
This, as well as your other questions are ridiculous.
AT&T has made it this far and one of the top companies in their industry. Their big enough to adapt, change, hire/fire whoever, and do whatever they need to make their company move forward over the long haul.

-If I were a 30 something years old, I would rather own SBUX than T if I had to choose between the 2. You can stop trying to prove your point about SBUX, no one here is saying it's not a good stock to own
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 4:22 pm to
im not saying just sbux im saying you're acting like ATT is a surefire safe stock bc it has been forever. Im just saying the past 30 years have no influence on the coming decade and ATT has a monster, monster problem of millenials cutting the cord. Im saying ATT is way riskier than you're making it out to be. You're acting like investing in CVX,T, etc is like buying T bills bc of their past. Im just letting you know that both are under major fire moving forward for reasons like low oil prices and cable trends changing. Invest wisely not bc of a dividend that may or may not be the same in the future as it is today. Investing is about the future, not the past. You havent said a thing to me in reply to CVX earnings this yr and the correlation to their current dividend. Do you think its sustainable if the earnings stay at this level for another 18 months?

PS KMI was nearly $100B company a year ago, its been decimated, but dont try to make it sound like KMI was a small cap they were gigantic.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Tiger4life306
Member since Apr 2016
420 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Investing is about the future, not the past.
You don't have to keep saying this, I know this.

I'm confident in T and CVX for other reasons than just their dividend history... I'm outta here for today though, y'all have fun
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 4:30 pm to
You're still not answering the 1 thing I asked you to answer about the dividends safety if CVX earnings keep coming in at the rate they have the last 2 quarters.Chevron has a historical P/E ratio of around 10. It is now almost 140, how is CVX a safe buy at this point in time? I know everyone on this site is a permabull on oil, but im asking a legit question because oil doesnt seem like its going up anytime soon as we approach 2 years of an oil beating and these big oil names are currently paying out more than they earn and have been doing so for a little while now, that is not sustainable at all. Of course as you said, they're doing all they can to avoid a dividend cut, but if I was a shareholder of BP or Shell or CVX I would definitely be worried. Exxon can weather the storm a little longer than the others, but even they would have to give in if it stays here a bit longer.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 4:46 pm
Posted by RJSambola
Member since Jun 2012
318 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 5:34 pm to
Based on your criteria you should be pimping C pretty hard.

Its dividend has gone up 16x in the last 8 years. And its payout ratio is sub 20%. Plus interest rates can only go up.

Now is citigroup a better buy than starbucks?
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 5:51 pm to
I dont follow C but I personally dont think rates are going anywhere anytime soon so Im not a believer in banks. C just went through a wild period of paying like 1 penny per quarter for years. If C can keep boosting its dividend significantly over a multi year period like nike or starbucks or visa then sure Im on board. Its up 16 fold in the last year, that is probably the most significant one Ive seen, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Ill def look into it. I just really dont like biotechs or banks because I dont understand biotech and banks, who the hell understands their derivative books? Remember the london whale? I worked in private banking early in my career at Chase years back and the derivative market is a multi quadrillion, yes quadrillion dollar tangled web of mess thats a time bomb the size of the housing crisis many times over. I try to stick to investing in things that are simple to understand. I dont like complex things that require tons of homework and constant checking from me. Frankly I dont trust greedy bankers to not make the same mistakes they made years back, we're already seeing low money down loans emerging again while home prices are at all time highs....thats no bueno to me.
Posted by FriscoTiger
Frisco, TX
Member since Aug 2005
3489 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:23 pm to
MO, PFE, HD, PEP, CY, SO and EMR.

Risky but FGP is another one.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

Sounds like your opinion is based on speculation of growth rather than the topic of this thread - which is dividend paying stocks.



His argument is that companies that have big dividend payouts have huge issues going forward if they miss profit. Either they do something stupid to maintain dividend or cut it


A company like Starbucks for example has a low payout ratio but consistent. That means that the risk of it being cut is very low and their future dividend growth will make it more valuable
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6217 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 10:08 pm to
bigfella - how are things going for ya?


i have been a bigfella disciple and it has worked out well for me recently - keep posting your insight and knowledge.

Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 10:37 pm to
ive been good man, howve you been? Glad to hear the portfolios rockin but I cant take credit haha the whole market is soaring to new all time highs. I just try to help people understand what a good dividend stock is and what a bad dividend stock is thats all.
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