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Value of a CMA after a CPA
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:13 pm
I passed the CPA in May and should be getting my certificate in July. My plan is to relax and take it easy for a year or so and then pursue another certification. I have 4 years of experience at a large local firm doing audit work and I'm currently at an industry position and I did some internal audit work for the state. I get the feeling that I would need 10+ years of Big 4 experience to get to my end goal of being a CFO of a large company. Would the addition of a CMA add a significant boost to my resume that would offset the low number of years of public accounting?
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:39 pm to iAmBatman
CPA should be good enough. You should focus more on gaining extensive management experience rather than another certification.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:48 pm to iAmBatman
CMA won't put you on a fast track to CFO. Your CPA,management ability, and people skills are more valuable than a CMA would be at this point IMO.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:10 pm to LSUAfro
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Your CPA,management ability, and people skills are more valuable than a CMA would be at this point IMO.
This.
CFO is just another rung up the ladder. There are plenty of people who climb up the ladder who minimum required boxes checked. There is almost no one who climbs the management ladder who doesn't have management experience or people skills
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:16 pm to LSUAfro
I'm not looking or a fast track because I know its going to take years of experience and building relationships to get to where I want to be. That being said, I don't want to be discounted because of a lack of public accounting experience and I figured that a CMA, along with a CPA, would show that I have the ability and knowledge to handle advanced financial and managerial decisions.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:24 pm to iAmBatman
Depends on what type of company you are looking to be CFO at too.
For example, if you are in the insurance industry, getting actuarial certifications will fast track you at public audit firms that have insurance clients and make you extremely attractive to insurance companies.
That said, CPA exams are a cakewalk compared to actuarial exams so this is not recommended in the slightest
For example, if you are in the insurance industry, getting actuarial certifications will fast track you at public audit firms that have insurance clients and make you extremely attractive to insurance companies.
That said, CPA exams are a cakewalk compared to actuarial exams so this is not recommended in the slightest
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:38 pm to GenesChin
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That said, CPA exams are a cakewalk compared to actuarial exams so this is not recommended in the slightest
I worked on some insurance clients while at the public accounting firm so naturally I looked at the actuarial exams. It took all of 12 seconds for me to realize that I wasn't going to be going that route.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:42 pm to GenesChin
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Depends on what type of company you are looking to be CFO at too.
This too. Generally speaking I wouldn't give it much consideration for most industries. It can't hurt, but likely not going to add much value at your juncture. I just don't see many circumstances where I'd give the nod to somebody over two equally qualified CPAs because one had the CMA at upper management levels.
Timing and luck sometimes are just as important as anything.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:43 pm to iAmBatman
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I worked on some insurance clients while at the public accounting firm so naturally I looked at the actuarial exams. It took all of 12 seconds for me to realize that I wasn't going to be going that route.
ditto.
It was more of a F that.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:57 pm to LSUAfro
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Timing and luck sometimes are just as important as anything.
Aggravating but it's the truth.
I'm going to sit on it a while and see where I'm at in a year or so. Who knows...maybe I'll be a CFO by then and the whole point will be moot...but I doubt it.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:13 pm to iAmBatman
Also 10 years in public is by no means a prerequisite to make CFO, if anything it probably puts you at a disadvantage.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 6:47 am to GenesChin
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That said, CPA exams are a cakewalk compared to actuarial exams
CPA exam is universally considered as one of the more difficult cprofessional ertifications to obtain.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:24 am to Jabstep
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CPA exam is universally considered as one of the more difficult cprofessional ertifications to obtain.
One of my coworkers with his FSA (actuarial certification) self studied for the CPA and passed every section first try in 6 months compared to 6 years and a couple fails at actuarial exams.
If companies give you over 300 paid "study hours" in a year, allow budgets that can exceed $15,000 just for "study materials" and give you raises + bonus just for passing one exam not getting fully certified, odds are it is pretty hard.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:53 am to GenesChin
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One of my coworkers with his FSA (actuarial certification) self studied for the CPA and passed every section first try in 6 months compared to 6 years and a couple fails at actuarial exams.
Passing one doesn't make the other "easy", but I don't think that was your point.
It's not really an apples to apples comparison IMO, as there isn't just 1 actuary test that awards 1 designation.
Certain designations are needed to work in certain fields like CAS, SOA, ACAS, FCAS, CERA, whereas a CPA trumps CIA/CMA/CFE and allows you to practice in any accounting field.
The overwhelming amount of volume/time it takes to pass all the tests to attain the highest actuarial designation(FSA) is incredible.
I'm fairly ignorant what all goes in to it outside of the couple of guys I know that are going through it and having a few beers with them and discussing it. Sounds like shite though.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:00 am to GenesChin
Basing your analysis on one guy seems to be an adequate sample.
You completely dismissed the difficulty of one of the more difficult professional exams because of one co-worker. I passed the CPA exam in a similar manner to your co-worker...doesn't mean it was easy. I've seen really intelligent people fail the CPA exam.
External factors such as a family etc. could have attributed to his failed attempts at the actuarial exam.
You completely dismissed the difficulty of one of the more difficult professional exams because of one co-worker. I passed the CPA exam in a similar manner to your co-worker...doesn't mean it was easy. I've seen really intelligent people fail the CPA exam.
External factors such as a family etc. could have attributed to his failed attempts at the actuarial exam.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:10 am to LSUAfro
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The overwhelming amount of volume/time it takes to pass all the tests to attain the highest actuarial designation(FSA) is incredible.
This was the point I was getting at. I don't mean to compare exam to exam, but the process. Depending on your aptitude, CPA exam could be harder than Actuarial or vice versa. The real difference is that CPA exams you can get over with quickly, actuarial exams you are miserable for what feels like life
ETA: I don't pretend that CPA exams are anything but extremely difficult. Just that actuarial exams are similarly difficult just taken over the course of 7-8 years and you don't have college/masters courses to prepare you typically + you work during that period
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:18 am to Jabstep
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External factors such as a family etc. could have attributed to his failed attempts at the actuarial exam.
Considering actuarial examination process is over the course of 9 years on average, instead of these external factors being considered an anomaly, it is expected and the stamina it takes to get through is part of what makes the process difficult. The grind never stops. You can't just put your whole life on hold for 9 years, it is slightly easier to do something to that effect for 6-18mo
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You completely dismissed the difficulty of one of the more difficult professional exams because of one co-worker
While I gave a single anecdote as evidence, that generally holds true
If you want a better argument, you are missing the obvious bias in that I am using people who have mastered how to study for professional exams. The expectation is that they would study better than your average CPA candidate and perform better.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:28 am to iAmBatman
Back to the OP, passing the CMA won't make up for years of experience but it will put you ahead of people with same experience that don't have the certificate.
If it's something you have the time to study for, and you are interested, I'd do it.
The CMA does have value. The garbage CGMA does not.
If it's something you have the time to study for, and you are interested, I'd do it.
The CMA does have value. The garbage CGMA does not.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Back to the OP, passing the CMA won't make up for years of experience but it will put you ahead of people with same experience that don't have the certificate.
It all boils down to industry.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:43 pm to iAmBatman
The majority of CFO hires are internal. Work history for the company, and relationship with the CEO, will have much greater influence on the selection for the CFO position than any academic certification.
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