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Stock Grants from Employer- How are they treated?

Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:01 pm
If I receive a stock grant today, but it has a 4 year vesting period (0% until Dec 1, 2020), does the stock grant affect my 2016 taxable income or would it be my 2020 income?

This is outside of any retirement account.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

2020 income


It has no effect until it's fully vested. Unless you're also getting a dividend/distribution from those stocks, then that div payout is distributed.
If you get a payout in shares, your "clock" starts when it's vested, as far as cap gain/loss goes.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:42 pm to
So it does not vest at all, and then vests fully in one lump sum in 2020?

By default, no tax impact occurs on the grant until 2020, at which time the FMV of the stock (as of the vesting date in 2020) is considered income to you.

There is an election called a "Section 83b" election (named after the tax code section that governs this) that allows you to be taxed on the FMV as of the date of grant (i.e. in 2016) instead of the vesting date (i.e. 2020).

If this is something you want to consider, you need to speak directly with a CPA as this is a rather complex situation.

Why would you do this? Let's say the stock is valued at $2 today, but you think the business is about to take off, and in 4 years, it will be valued at $10. It might make sense to pay the tax on $2 today vs the tax on $10 in four years.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80761 posts
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:53 pm to
quote:

So it does not vest at all, and then vests fully in one lump sum in 2020?

Correct

quote:

By default, no tax impact occurs on the grant until 2020, at which time the FMV of the stock (as of the vesting date in 2020) is considered income to you.

Thats what I assumed.


Appreciate the info on the 83b. I'll do a little more research on that
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:48 am to
Have a follow up question about this.
I've usually just let it be, but I've done some research and I'm leaning towards filing an 83 b.

I know you have to file within thirty days but...question is, when is the money "due"? As in, do you send in a check when you file or do you use the form the following year when you file your taxes?

Guessing it's the latter since it's based on income
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 10:55 am
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:59 am to
The way mine works is that once it is vested, they usually take shares to cover the taxes as if it were income in the year that it vested. Then, you would pay any additional taxes for gains of the money after you eventually cash out.
Posted by TigerEye2
Prairieville
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:39 pm to
Most grants vest in percentages each year. Example 75 shares over 3 years. Each year 1/3 (25 shares) become vested and you can choose to sell for current market value or do nothing if you think the stock will increase in value. If you decide to cash out the 25 shares typically you can they will deduct shares to cover taxes. They cut you a check for balance.
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