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shopping mortgages when closing costs are covered

Posted on 11/4/14 at 6:18 pm
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 6:18 pm
My company pays all my closing costs. I've got 15 lenders calling me trying to sell their company. They all give the same rate. Is there any reason to shop besides finding the one who requires the least amount of headache? My real estate agent told me the top two she likes to deal with from a paperwork standpoint. Will they always have the same rates?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:37 pm to
Rule #1 - Screw your realtor. This is about you. Not them. They're trying to feed a profit partner for later down the road or get a kickback/bird dog fee.

Rule #2 - Ask each broker to put in writing what PAR pricing is on your loan package is.

IE-For a purchase where you're borrowing 90% of the home's value, with a 760 credit score in an owner occupied single family new construction, what is the rate where the lender makes no money on said interest rate.

That rate based on your specific criteria is considered PAR. The lender cannot sell you a PAR rate or they'd go out of business but you can buy it down.

Rule #3 - Ask them how much it costs to buy your rate down to Par. Then just have your company pay that as part of the closing costs for your loan.

I'm sleepy and leaving some parts of this stream of consciousness out but this will put you in a good decision or position no matter who you choose.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 11/5/14 at 5:40 am to
Company won't pay any additional money to get rate down. I don't plan to be here more than 5 or so years, so I don't think it's worth paying myself.

And the realtor thing is paperwork on my end. I was pre-approved by a couple lenders. Chase being one of them. The stack of paperwork they needed me to send them was crazy compared to some of the others. My sister had the same issue a few years back. Realtor works with my company often and knows who the lenders the company offers for us to use are(could use anyone, but they pay closing with these). She just told me which ones other people seem to like. I cant say she's wrong from my experience so far.

I just keep getting calls from people who are so confident they can do a better job, then tell me the same rate. Didn't want to fully ignore calls if there was something I was missing.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25469 posts
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:49 am to
quote:

Rule #1 - Screw your realtor. This is about you. Not them. They're trying to feed a profit partner for later down the road or get a kickback/bird dog fee. Rule #2 - Ask each broker to put in writing what PAR pricing is on your loan package is. IE-For a purchase where you're borrowing 90% of the home's value, with a 760 credit score in an owner occupied single family new construction, what is the rate where the lender makes no money on said interest rate. That rate based on your specific criteria is considered PAR. The lender cannot sell you a PAR rate or they'd go out of business but you can buy it down. Rule #3 - Ask them how much it costs to buy your rate down to Par. Then just have your company pay that as part of the closing costs for your loan. I'm sleepy and leaving some parts of this stream of consciousness out but this will put you in a good decision or position no matter who you choose.


I agree with most of this, but there are advantages of using realtor recommendations in terms of making sure things get done based on the situation of the transaction. I know lenders who can get it done in 14 days if that's the game I have to play. If I need an appraisal for a local hot market, I know where to turn. The most important thing is getting client to closing. Do referrals happen in my business just like every other business in the history of business? Of course. Do I put my clients best interest ahead of that? Every single time.

Back to OP. I have never seen 15 lenders have the exact same rate on the same day, throughout the day, so I find that hard to believe. No two underwriters are the same. I'd go with who you feel gets best job done, tell them they need to go 1/8 lower than lowest rate you're quoted. I'm sure there's a cap company will pay for cc's, I'd do my best to know that number. Good luck
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:21 am to
We just refinanced (little different) with Quicken Loans, excellent experience, and they sent the closing team to our house to complete the paperwork, I would use them again and refer them based on my experience.
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