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re: Retirement Income Goals for planning purposes.

Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:12 pm to
Now I think the problem is you. Use real rate of return. Sheesh, are we writing this plan for you?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:23 pm to
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But expenses rise for the elderly, especially if they need to live in a nursing home.

So for simplification you'd like everyone to ignore housing and debt. But we were supposed to just guess you wanted us to factor in long term nursing home care?
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:26 am to
Inflation may be the factor that wrecks everybody's plan. Who knows how much worse it can get?
Posted by Enadious
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:39 am to
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How well is a Retiree living on 10k per month after taxes in La.?

When will you retire? What are your aspirations in retirement? It's more important to determine how much you will spend. That determines how much you need. Keep in mind inflation happens. My 2011 Tundra cost 34,000. My 2021 Tundra cost 49,900.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20508 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:39 am to
Asking if you can retire on an income without knowing expenses is ridiculous OP. You can retire on $30k income plus social security very easily, millions do it every year.

There’s Also no reason to expect to have $0 income. Going from working 40 hours a week to 0 just isn’t for everyone, plenty of people find a job working 10-15 hours a week doing something they love to help stay active, make a little spending buffer money, etc.

$120k a year is plenty of money to retire comforably.

I would disagree expenses go up. When you aren’t commuting to work daily and you can do more for yourself because you have more time, your expenses should go down.

For example, if you are paying for a yard guy in retirement it’s not to save you time. It’s because you are either lazy or it’s a luxury, that’s a luxury expense.

Once you are old or in poor enough health to need tons of medical attention, nursing home, etc. what people fail to remember is you also generally stop traveling, stop eating out, stop hobbies, etc. So some expenses go way up but others go way down.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 8:41 am
Posted by PetroBabich
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Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 9:08 am to
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How well is a Retiree living on 10k per month after taxes in La.?

Pretty well unless living on the Gulf Coast or in a high end urban area.
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How much lower can he go and still have a good standard of living?

You would have to define what you consider a "Good standard of living." If living alone in a small apartment or town home is a good standard of living, 5k a month after taxes.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 10:00 am to
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I'm trying to be a responsible person and plan for my future retirement. It's a serious responsibility. I apologize for any inconvenience.


You live in Louisiana which is a very poor state and you don’t know if $120k in retirement is enough?

There are people with families living in Louisiana on one third of that a year. If you lived in California, New York, or New Jersey I’d take you seriously but Louisiana?
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 1:20 pm to
There’s a pun in here about Champagne living on a beer budget but $10k clear per month will practically be enough if everything is paid off and you don’t have costly toys (big RV, big boat, etc).

There’s three phases of retirement:

1. Go-Go-Go

2. Slow-Slow-Slow

3. No-No-No

You’ll save money in the middle because you don’t do as much.

You’ll be lucky to spend half of the budget per month in the Slow period.

You might need it at the end for in-home care.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162255 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 1:33 pm to
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How much would this person be paying in mortgage, property taxes, and home insurance Per month?

What about other recurring debt obligations?



Would all be useful things to know
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 1:37 pm to
All great thoughts and I appreciate the help.

I figure that I am doing fine under my current circumstances if I Retired today. However, I had better keep saving lots of money because I have no idea how much 10k a month will stretch in the years of the 2040s.

But neither Newb nor Expert can predict the future, so, I'd better keep saving money.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3552 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 2:48 pm to
Might want to look overseas for retirement .. just food for thought .




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Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 3:21 pm to
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have no idea how much 10k a month will stretch in the years of the 2040s.



What are your income sources in retirement? Retirement withdrawal methods such as the 4% rule typically account for inflation and would require +$3m nest egg to draw $120k. On other hand if you are looking at a $10k/m fixed income stream with no inflation adjustments thats gonna get real tight after 20-30 yrs.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48446 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:05 pm to
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What are your income sources in retirement? Retirement withdrawal methods such as the 4% rule typically account for inflation and would require +$3m nest egg to draw $120k. On other hand if you are looking at a $10k/m fixed income stream with no inflation adjustments thats gonna get real tight after 20-30 yrs.


That's why I'd better keep saving, even though right now things look great (for just this moment in time).
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28834 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:06 pm to
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There’s a pun in here about Champagne living on a beer budget but $10k clear per month will practically be enough if everything is paid off and you don’t have costly toys (big RV, big boat, etc).

There’s three phases of retirement:

1. Go-Go-Go

2. Slow-Slow-Slow

3. No-No-No

You’ll save money in the middle because you don’t do as much.

You’ll be lucky to spend half of the budget per month in the Slow period.

You might need it at the end for in-home care.


Dave Blanchet calls this the "Retirement Income Spending Smile". Wade Pfau talks about it in this article.

what is the Retirement Spending Smile?

In essence you possibly may not need to save as much and be able to spend more in the GoGo years.



Posted by PetroBabich
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Member since Apr 2017
4633 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:22 pm to
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even though right now things look great (for just this moment in time).


You honestly sound anxious as frick throughout this thread. Facts are your friends so maybe if you quantified everything accounting for the inflation variable you seem so stressed over and wrote it down you would feel better. Unless you already have.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48446 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:50 pm to
Retirement planning is stressful!
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1188 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 5:30 pm to
Good advice from others. You have to include expenses in your planning. You also have to consider where your money will be during retirement years. Will you keep it invested? Will it be in a mix of stocks and bonds? Real estate? Your assets are changed by the difference in expenditures and income from your assets.

Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17908 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 5:40 pm to
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I anticipate having the house paid off, very low property tax. Homeowners insurance will be a necessary expense but I do not live on the Gulf Coast.

There are no recurring debt obligations.




If your house is paid off i would think you could get by with living on 5K a month? Yes? No?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24183 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:16 pm to
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Retirement planning is stressful!


Eh, it’s really not. Stop thinking about the goal and think about the process and habits that build and compound to achieve the goal. “Retirement” is built a day at a time and doing the right behaviors along the way.

Stressing about a goal of retirement is really spending energy in the wrong place.
Posted by bigtig
Member since Aug 2005
835 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:43 am to
I live on 6900 a month after taxes. I don't have have house car boat notes etc. Only thing I pay is home owners flood LTC Insurance car insurance . I could live on lest than . 6900. I also have four tickets to LSU Football and parking which run about 4000 a year
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