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PMI question

Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:23 am
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:23 am

My wife and I purchased our home in January of 2011. we refinanced in march of 2013. I contacted my mortgage company and they said now you have to have 75% loan value vs. appraisal to remove PMI? I thought the rule was always 80%?

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:27 am to
I don't know the answer to your question but I'm curious why you would not believe your own mortgage company who is in the mortgage loan business but you'd trust complete strangers on an anonymous message board to give you a correct answer??

Personally, I'd go with what my mortgage loan company says since that is their business.

I'll butt out now....
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:36 am to
I requested a response in writing and they listed 3 options. #1, write a check for the difference. #2 pay for an independent appraisal and if the loan to value is 80% or less, pmi will be removed. #3 loan value vs. current appraisal must be 75%. The appraisal is on the refi from 2013 was $248K and we think it should appraise now for $270k. I currently owe 208K
Posted by rcgoldenbites1013
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
62 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:52 am to
Some companies require 78% never heard of 75% though.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:58 am to
quote:

The appraisal is on the refi from 2013 was $248K and we think it should appraise now for $270k

Based on what? I doubt it appreciated $22K in 2 years. Perhaps certain neighborhoods in Orleans parish, but prices in many other areas of LA are softening, not increasing.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:04 am to
based on what they are selling for per sqft in my neighborhood. The previous owner made of a hell of a deal because he was relocated due to work and it was his last month of housing assistance. We have done some work to the house too. I called wells fargo and they said fannie mae now has a law that states if the loan is less than 5 years old the loan to appraisal has to be 75%. If the loan is older than 5 years, the ratio is 80%
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 11:06 am
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:49 am to
How much are you paying in pmi? We were paying $92/mth, the appraisal costs $400, house appraised for enough to remove pmi, saved $2000 after paying for the appraisal. Mortgage holder is Wells Fargo, very easy process.
Posted by jammintiger
Member since Feb 2007
582 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:08 pm to
Did you have an FHA or conventional loan? I was told that with an FHA loan they do not take into account appraised costs, just the original apprasial that they have on thier file.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:25 pm to
conventional loan. I believe we are paying a little less than $100 a month in pmi. Not the end of the world, but I would like for it to go away.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13864 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:35 pm to
This is the first I've heard of 75%. I will not be happy if this is the case as I've been working pretty hard lately to get to 78%.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:03 pm to
Conventional, only poors have FHA loans.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:08 pm to
I'll quote the document word for word:

canceling pmi based on the current value
you have the option to cancel pmi based on the current value and investor requirements.

For this option you must meet the following requirements:
1-you must reach the required LTV ratio of 75% based on the current appraisal value.
2-you must have had no 30 day late payments
3-you must have closed on your mortgage more than 2 years ago.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13864 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:13 pm to
I mean I believe they told you that. I just hope they are wrong and meant to put 78%. Are you with Wells Fargo?
Posted by LSU999
Member since Nov 2012
9117 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:52 pm to
78% is the lowest I have ever read or heard about.

Doesn't matter how much the PMI is, the point is it`s money that is protecting the bank from you. I understand people have to have it when they don`t have enough of a down payment. I was paying it until I refinanced a few years ago. Now I apply it and the $ i'm saving from the refi towards the principle.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

78% is the lowest I have ever read or heard about. Doesn't matter how much the PMI is, the point is it`s money that is protecting the bank from you. I understand people have to have it when they don`t have enough of a down payment. I was paying it until I refinanced a few years ago. Now I apply it and the $ i'm saving from the refi towards the principle.


yes it is wells fargo. And I did plan to add what I am currently paying im PMI back to additional principal when it PMI goes way.
Posted by Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
887 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 9:28 pm to
There are several articles online that say PMI must be canceled when your loan reaches 78%

LINK

Haven't found gov't webpage with this yet
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15794 posts
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:32 pm to
I'm a poor my PMI is around $250 per month and would also like to get rid of it. Purchased my house in 2012 and its with Wells Fargo.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
968 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 8:00 am to
Fannie Mae states on page 201-29 that if the loan is less than 5 years old, you must pay pmi.
Fanie Mae

Here is my biggest gripe. The original mortgage was under written by a smaller company in Baton Rouge. I saved all of the documents from the closing and found last night that PMI may be canceled after the loan to value reached 80%. I did not choose to have the loan bought out by wells fargo but it happened. I never knew about the 75% loan to value, it was not disclosed to me when I refinanced the house.

The 75% loan to value rule is a fannie mae rule, so how can wells fargo try to hold me to it? I have a friend who is a closing attorney and I called her to discuss but I am waiting for her to call back.
Posted by LSUChamp06
Kansas City
Member since Nov 2007
2859 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:33 am to
Never heard of 75% either. I was told at 78% PMI automatically falls off and at 80% it can also fall off with an appraisal to justify it.
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
12195 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:46 am to
Now PMI never comes off just FYI
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