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Other than PMI insurance
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:00 am
Is there really any reason you should put 20% down on a house?
I'm talking about a starter house here. Not a 400K house that has a pretty big downside if the market depreciates
I found a decent condo for 80K which would obviously be a really low note. I can't see any reason why I should actually put down 20% on something like that. I think an FHA loan would probably make more sense since there isn't a huge risk of it depreciating a lot.
What does the money board say?
I'm talking about a starter house here. Not a 400K house that has a pretty big downside if the market depreciates
I found a decent condo for 80K which would obviously be a really low note. I can't see any reason why I should actually put down 20% on something like that. I think an FHA loan would probably make more sense since there isn't a huge risk of it depreciating a lot.
What does the money board say?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:05 am to Powerman
20% down vs. 5% or 10% will probably get you a lower interest rate which will lower your monthly note. 20% down will mean you finance less which will lower your monthly note. So I would say a lower note would be a good thing for most of us.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:14 am to Powerman
Most people on this board (not me) don't think you have to honor your debt to a bank anyway. Just walk away from it if it's convenient to do so.....
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:20 am to PlanoPrivateer
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20% down vs. 5% or 10% will probably get you a lower interest rate which will lower your monthly note. 20% down will mean you finance less which will lower your monthly note. So I would say a lower note would be a good thing for most of us.
From what I understand you can get pretty competitive rates with an FHA loan
And I'd always have the option to refinance by putting more in later right?
And in this case I would think that the difference in down payment ($13,200) would do me more good to still have in hand.
I could easily make 100 a month in the market on that
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:27 am to Powerman
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And I'd always have the option to refinance by putting more in later right?
There's transactional costs associated with refinancing that have to be considered. You'd probably better served applying addtional money toward principal and hoping you can get your LTV down to below 80%. You can petition the lender to drop PMI after 2 years, I think.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:36 am to Powerman
Right now is a rare situation where FHA rates are almost the same as Conventional loan rates which I dont recall happening too often. So why would anyone not go FHA right now that doesnt have perfect credit? FHA does use credit to determine rate (although lender may have a requirement to loan) So if someone has like 700 credit or doesnt put down 20% then I dont see why you would go conventional right now.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:47 am to Catman88
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Right now is a rare situation where FHA rates are almost the same as Conventional loan rates which I dont recall happening too often.
Which is why I'm thinking it would be an epic fail to put 16K down on some cheap 80K condo when I could just put 2800 down and still have a very affordable note and the rest of the money still available to me.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:52 am to Powerman
when I bought several years ago, I was basically faced with either putting down 20% and having zero excess cash or putting down 10% and still having a decent cushion in the bank account. I went with option #2. Sleeping at night knowing that I can pay for random emergencies >>>>> saving PMI.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:59 am to Powerman
Not like PMI a killer either.. With FHA (MMI) on a 200K loan its like 70-80 a month.. Sure its a waste of money but not going to break the bank
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:11 am to Catman88
Yeah I'd be looking at 35 a month or so
There is no way I could justify letting go of 13K to save 35 a month. That's just stupid. Really really really stupid.
There is no way I could justify letting go of 13K to save 35 a month. That's just stupid. Really really really stupid.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:18 am to Martavius
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You can petition the lender to drop PMI after 2 years, I think.
yep. I did this last year. had to pay like $400 for the appraisal, but it was worth it.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:19 am to Powerman
13,000/35 = 371 months. You wouldn't re-save that 13k by the end of the loan term.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:35 am to Colonel Hapablap
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13,000/35 = 371 months. You wouldn't re-save that 13k by the end of the loan term.
Not to mention if you could get a 4% return on that money which is pretty modest you'd be looking at tripling that money.
Of course the other argument is that you'd be paying a lower note but the note is already low enough where it's not going to be crippling to my monthly bills. shite it would be cheaper than renting here by a long shot.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:50 am to Powerman
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Of course the other argument is that you'd be paying a lower note
right. But again, it would take you 371 months to recoup that money by just saving the bill difference. Even if you're earning 5% on the money, it would take 200+ months. That sucks, IMO. Especially when compared with sleeping well. Sleep is very important to me.
ETA: and at the end of the day, I'd rather enrich insurance companies than bankers.
EATA: and if you're presuming that it will increase in value (not a given), you probably want to be as levered as possible.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:53 am to Powerman
powerman let me tell you this from an experienced mortgage person.DO NOT BUY A CONDO!
that is the hardest loan to get right now. if the condo complex is more than 50% non owner occupied then no lender FHA or conventional will do the loan. All condos for FHA must go thru FHA spot approval. And for that loan size i wish you the best finding a broker that would work for 1% of that loan amount on a condo i wouldnt. Second Conventional requires 20% down on condo's right now because PMI companies quite insuring condo last month. now you man find someone to do it conventional but it will be hard. FHA is your best bet but thats still going to be a battle.
that is the hardest loan to get right now. if the condo complex is more than 50% non owner occupied then no lender FHA or conventional will do the loan. All condos for FHA must go thru FHA spot approval. And for that loan size i wish you the best finding a broker that would work for 1% of that loan amount on a condo i wouldnt. Second Conventional requires 20% down on condo's right now because PMI companies quite insuring condo last month. now you man find someone to do it conventional but it will be hard. FHA is your best bet but thats still going to be a battle.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:12 pm to Powerman
Ohhh forgot about that.. Condo loans are done in a very strange way right now.. FHA has a separate set of guidelines for condos.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:16 pm to Powerman
makes a difference in rate and also makes for easier underwriting.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:22 pm to prplhze2000
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makes a difference in rate and also makes for easier underwriting.
So if he goes through FHA and the home is backed by the Fed what changes? If he gets approved the rate isnt going to change based on his down payment. I do think he will have issues since its a condo though.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:23 pm to Catman88
that is where 20% helps. An underwriter feels better about a condo when he puts 20% down than 5% down.
and yes, depending on the lender there is a pricing hit for high LTV loans even on FHA.
and yes, depending on the lender there is a pricing hit for high LTV loans even on FHA.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:27 pm to prplhze2000
just for everyone's enlightenment, how is any/all of that different for single family construction?
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