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OIL - iPath shares
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:03 pm
OIL is trading at $5.43 today. 52 week range is $4.45-$6.53. If I take a long position, I'm not expecting it to reach the $80's like it did in 2008, but what is keeping it from $7.50 or $10 in the next 3-4 years?
What am I missing? OPEC flooding supply? For what reason?
Thanks for any advice.
What am I missing? OPEC flooding supply? For what reason?
Thanks for any advice.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:12 pm to Skeet Mc
quote:US fracking is the real swing producer these days, not OPEC, though the market still moves when OPEC talks.
OPEC flooding supply?
quote:TL;DR: Commodities are to be traded, not invested.
What am I missing?
LINK for OIL rating/summary. I'll quote some important parts below:
"The iPath S&P GSCI Crude Oil Total Return ETN tracks an index of a single, front-month WTI crude oil futures contract.
The issuer has suspended creations in OIL, which can cause the note to trade at substantial premiums at times. Also, OIL is one of a handful of ETNs with path-dependent fees, meaning you could pay significantly higher holding costs than the headline expense ratio implies...
OIL offers straightforward oil futures exposure in an ETN wrapper. It uses the most basic method for exposure; namely, near-month futures contracts (spot oil is effectively uninvestable). OIL's index rolls expiring contracts into the next-nearest month, a method also used by rival fund USO and our benchmark. The downside of this approach is heightened sensitivity to negative roll yield when WTI oil futures are in contango..."
If you don't know what contango is, then here's a LINK.
And if you want to see what contango looks like, I'll give you a chart of OIL and crude oil futures (/CL).
/CL:
OIL:
Alternate links if you want higher resolution:
/CL, OIL
As you can see, /CL and OIL both bottomed out in February 2016, but contango and fees have created two very different outcomes. As of 20 minutes ago, /CL is up 99.07% from the February 2016 low. OIL is up just 26.28%. I could make more comparisons, but the charts speak for themselves, so I'll just end this post by saying that any ETF or ETN that is long futures will suffer losses from contango when rolling over their contracts the vast majority of the time. If you want to profitably invest in commodities, you should buy stock in good producers of the commodity/commodities.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:35 pm to Omada
Yeah, if you were going to trade, I'd use USO. A lot of reasons, but not unimportant is that USO is a fund that actually owns the forward month contract and treasuries, and OIL is an ETN.
And then I'd never own either. If I were to take a long positions USO, I'd buy calls, and a short position, I'd buy puts. A derivative on something that owns something.
You could buy options on OIL, but although not technically correct, essentially you'd own a derivative on a derivative, which makes no sense to me.
And then I'd never own either. If I were to take a long positions USO, I'd buy calls, and a short position, I'd buy puts. A derivative on something that owns something.
You could buy options on OIL, but although not technically correct, essentially you'd own a derivative on a derivative, which makes no sense to me.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:58 pm to Iowa Golfer
Is it time to bump the UGAZ thread?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:42 pm to white perch
I was never UGAZ. I was UNG. Same reasons as USO-OIL. I made out o.k.
Most of us went to a slack site, and still talk daily. Except Lsusetheforce. I think he's still around. There was some censorship on here. I guess some guys didn't agree with each other, and one guy RA'd the other guy as a pump and dump. I didn't agree with that, but I didn't completely leave here. Some others did. It is what it is.
Most of us went to a slack site, and still talk daily. Except Lsusetheforce. I think he's still around. There was some censorship on here. I guess some guys didn't agree with each other, and one guy RA'd the other guy as a pump and dump. I didn't agree with that, but I didn't completely leave here. Some others did. It is what it is.
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