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Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:46 pm
Posted by YogaPants
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4704 posts
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:46 pm
Let me have it guys. Im a single guy, very stable employment, no wife/kids.. this is a brand new 3bd 2 bath home in a nice neighborhood.

My question is: what would you say my net monthly income (minus 401k and investments) should be to be living like this?

Mortgage is $1280 a month

10/04/12 MTG INS PMT $192.28 $187,969.71
10/01/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,280.76 $187,969.71
09/03/12 MTG INS PMT $192.28 $188,258.56
09/02/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,280.76 $188,258.56
08/03/12 MTG INS PMT $192.28 $188,546.51
08/01/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,280.76 $188,546.51
07/27/12 MTG INS PMT $0.01 $188,833.57
07/04/12 MTG INS PMT $192.28 $188,833.57
07/01/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,280.76 $188,833.57
06/03/12 MTG INS PMT $192.27 $189,119.73
06/01/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,280.75 $189,119.73
05/10/12 PAYMENT ( Details) $1,018.47 $189,405.00
05/10/12 NEW LOAN SET-UP $189,405.00 $189,405.00
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 12:00 am
Posted by Geaux Smoke
Aspen, California
Member since Aug 2010
1977 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 5:35 am to
how much debt/bills do you pay each month (car note, insurance, student/personal loans, credit cards, cell phone)?

ETA: safe scenario: if you gross more than your mortgage a week then go for it. $67k/year. im no financial advisor but this should give you enough room to save if something comes up
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 5:57 am
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7215 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 6:54 am to
If you make under $60k, I would not even consider it. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with that note unless i made over 80k but I tend to be on the safe side. Just remember, with a home, comes expenses related to the home. Also, do you have a car note or will you need a new vehicle anytime soon?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 8:31 am to
I would say you would need to net 4500 a month. Which would be a job making about 73k. $192 MTG Insurance pmt? Damn thats high.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9181 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:02 am to
Assuming T&I are included in the payment, no or very cheap car payment, somewhat frugal lifestyle = > $71k. $2300/yr for mortgage insurance is crazy. Whatever you do, build up a cash reserve fund of 9-12 months if you do not have one for unforeseen house and other expenses.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:05 am to
quote:

I would say you would need to net 4500 a month. Which would be a job making about 73k. $192 MTG Insurance pmt? Damn thats high.


That's what I was figuring as well (~75k).

I've been going back and forth between buying a "starter home" for around 200k and having it all to myself and buying a more permanent, larger house and renting 1 or 2 rooms out to friends. The only reason I'm considering the latter is due to me not wanting to give up the awesome interest rate I would be picking up.
Posted by YogaPants
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4704 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 12:20 pm to
You guys are right on with the salary. I do have a car note and I definitely overspend on the weekends, which makes my rainy day fundage a lot lower than Id like.
Posted by weaglebeagle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 2:54 pm to
How much was your down payment percentage wise?
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46643 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 3:57 pm to
I would do the latter if I could... But a starter home up here is minimum 550k unfortunately unless I want an hour commute
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7215 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 4:02 pm to
I would drive an hour
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46643 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 4:12 pm to
I rented out there for a year... Cannot do that
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

arger house and renting 1 or 2 rooms out to friends


working on this right now myself
Posted by YogaPants
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4704 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 5:00 pm to
I've thought about a roommate but you can't put a price on walking to the fridge naked
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:03 pm to
Total Mortgage payment = 28% of gross income
Total monthly debt (mortgage + all other monthly debt, e.g. car, credit cards, etc.) = 36% of gross income

Plus 20% cash down payment

My family runs a large savings and loan and this has been the rule for all their mortgages since 1928, and this is why they have been in business since 1928 and have had zero defaults since 2008. Any federally chartered savings and loan will use the same ratios. Commercial banks getting away from sound lending risk analysis (largely by demand of the government) is why we had the mortgage crisis in 2008.

You need to include everything in your mortgage payment (PITI = Principal + Interest + Taxes + Insurance, plus the PMI you are paying) to do this calculation right. You just included principal + interest + PMI, but no taxes or insurance.

If you cannot afford the total mortgage costs at 28% of gross income, you have no business buying a house.

You are going about the process all wrong, and you are essentially buying a car based on the monthly payment, rather than the cost of the car. No one should buy a house based on the monthly note alone, and the fact you include PMI means you have little to no down payment, which means you have decided to spend your money thus far in life rather than save money responsibly to prepare for home ownership.

Instead, try starting with how much you make and spend every month, add in ALL the costs of the house, then add your car note, then take an honest look at where you are spending your money each month.

If you're too poor to meet the 28%/36% numbers, then work harder/smarter to make more money and save your money for a down payment instead of trying to be a "$30,000 millionaire". If you're over the 28%/36% number, you're not ready to own a home and will be flirting with financial ruin shortly.

I'm giving the purely financial side but, all this aside, it's okay not to own a home and I think the intrinsic value of owning versus renting is vastly overrated, especially since 2008 and given the cost of insurance in Louisiana. There are far better places to invest money than putting it into a house, which is really a liability that takes money out of your pocket, not an asset.
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 3:31 pm
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

ETA: safe scenario: if you gross more than your mortgage a week then go for it.


This guy gets it, 1 week's pay / 4 weeks per month = 25% maximum gross income to housing costs.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

I've thought about a roommate but you can't put a price on walking to the fridge naked


I know. I've been living by myself, while working on a 3 month project and I really enjoy not having to wear full clothes unless I want to.
Posted by Grasshopper
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Dec 2007
948 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:20 pm to
delete
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 5:35 pm to
You posted a post just to say delete?
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:59 pm to
delete
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

But a starter home up here is minimum 550k unfortunately unless I want an hour commute


Dude - where can you find a starter home here for under 550 without a 2 hour commute?
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