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Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:41 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:41 pm
I am currently negotiating on a house and should be under contract by noon tomorrow. I was offered 3.875 interest with mortgage company paying $789 in my closing cost or I can do 4 percent with mortgage company paying $987.50 in closing cost. Its a difference of $11.34 a month in my payment. I am going VA so there will be no PMI. What do you think I should take? I am going to have about $6500 in closing cost with seller paying $5,000 if they accept my counter offer. Is the percentage difference worth the extra closing cost assistance?
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2753 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:11 pm to
Definitely go with the lower rate. You'll pay off the difference in less than 2 years.
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:53 pm to
What about 3.75%? Would that require you to pay a minimal amount of points?

It looks like your loan amount is around $157k. Check and see if you can get 3.75% As long as you can recoup that in under 2 years. If not, don't mess with it and take the 3.875%

Edit: I never advise paying points unless you can recoup it pretty quickly.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 6:55 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

looks like your loan amount is around $157k


You are right. It's 158k. I will ask again. I am using Regions Bank for my mortgage. Do you work in the business?
Posted by Bacchus
Tulsa
Member since Feb 2009
278 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:10 pm to
I think you have it backwards. You're not going to pay less closing costs AND get the lower interest rate! You're paying $789 for a 4% rate or $987.50 for the 3.875% rate. Like others have said, the smaller payment by $11 a month has a breakeven of roughly 18 months. So, if you plan on staying in this house longer than that, then grab the lower rate...and congrats on the new house!
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:29 pm to
Its correct. They pay more closing cost if I take the higher rate or less closing cost if I take the lower rate.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 7:31 pm
Posted by eelsuee
2B+!2B
Member since Oct 2004
4503 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:59 pm to
For those misunderstanding, the lender pays towards closing in the second case. It will take 13 years to pay the difference. I would take the 4% but I don't think there is an obvious choice.
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:26 pm to
With all due respect, I think you are incorrect.

Assuming OP provided info is accurate, his scenario is this-

Est $158,000 loan.

His interest rate of 3.875% is being offered to him at 100.5 That's a 0.5% lender credit in his favor. Furthermore, 4% is being offered at 100.625. That's a 0.625% lender credit in his favor.

158k x .5 % = $790
158k x .625 % = $987

It's likely his rate of 3.75% would be offered at 99.75 or 99.625 etc. In that scenario, he would "pay the points" to get to 100.00 pricing. However, his longterm rate would be lower once he recoups that in hopefully the soonest time possible.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:29 pm to
Yes. I am in the business.

No. I will not try and pull you from Regions :)

See my response above to Bacchus. Is what I said accurate?

This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 10:32 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

Is what I said accurate? 


Yes. Very accurate. Right on the money lol. You are good. You have definitely been in the business awhile lol.

Do most lenders offer similar closing credits such as Regions?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20397 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:09 am to
My first response would be to not get a VA loan if you qualify for a Conventional loan?

VA loans cost more in closing costs generally and additionally your rates are higher. VA loans are good in that they often times allow you to buy a house with less money down, but you are paying for that in interest rates and often times they allow people to buy houses that they should not be buying.

There are way too many military and ex-military that hear nothing but "VA loan, VA loan, VA loan" their whole military life and don't even look into the options. They have their place certainly, but often times you are better off going conventional.

I would always go with the lower interest rate especially if you are able to pay off the difference in under 2 years. 3 years is generally the absolute minimum you should be looking to own a house as that's the average break even period for buying vs renting.
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:51 am to
That's incorrect.

VA rates are (almost) always lower than conventional rates. I haven't seen conventional rates lower than VA in several years.

Specifically, if someone has less than perfect credit. VA loans, for interest rate purposes, would be way more forgiving than conventional.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 9:55 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20397 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

VA rates are (almost) always lower than conventional rates. I haven't seen conventional rates lower than VA in several years.

Specifically, if someone has less than perfect credit. VA loans, for interest rate purposes, would be way more forgiving than conventional.


I stand corrected then and apologize. I hadn't compared them in 3-4 years. My local Credit Union is still offering 3.875% 30 years though but generally it appears you are correct.

I still stand by the fact that if you can't afford a conventional loan don't buy the house. If you have poor credit and can't put 20% down like many with VA loans look to do, you are putting yourself in a very bad financial position. I've seen it over and over with my military friends. They want to buy a house and VA loans allow them to when they couldn't touch the houses with conventional loans.

If you can't afford a conventional loan on the property, my recommendation is to really think long and hard on whether you should be buying the house. If you can and the VA loan is the better deal, certainly go for it.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71232 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:44 pm to
I just closed on my house 2 days ago don't know all the specifics because my wife is the numbers person but using a VA loan from US Bank I got 3.375 and for signing up for a bank account my rate is a free buy down for the first year down to 2.375. Again if you are a veteran (don't read all the way through the thread just saw the VA part) see if you qualify for any type of property tax exemptions. I'm not going to discuss mine but in Illinois I'm property tax exempt. Taxes on my property are $3400/yr so I owe the rest of this current year but after my mortgage is dropping almost $300/mo.

But main reason why posting check out US bank it was a referal from a friend and glad I used them over Navy Fed. Loan officer was awesome shed email us late at night and trust me if you go VA route it's a pain in the arse when it comes to documents and inspections.

Best of luck
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:02 pm to
No need to apologize at all. Generally speaking, I agree with you. If you can afford a 20% down payment with excellent credit then conventional is a great way to go.

It's definitely sound advice but the reality is about 70% of homes each year are purchased putting less than 20% down.

I would only do about 3 or 4 loans a month if I was closing only conventional loans with 20% down. Fortunately, I close significantly more than 4 per month because of FHA, VA and conventional loans with 5-15% down.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 1:05 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

Best of luck


Thanks moment. Appreciate the insight
Posted by GeauxTigers1983
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:40 pm to
SomethingLikeA do you mind if i ask who you work for ? If you don't want to disclose I completely understand. I have not shopped around for my mortgage because I scared I will get denied last minute with Regions if they see I shopped after they pre approved me. I wonder if i got the best deal available. I ended up taking the 3.875 instead of the 4 percent
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