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Job Offers/Recruiters Questions.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:23 pm
I don't know how to word this very well without giving away a lot personal details but I need some advice.
Since January 1st I have had four different recruiters hounding me about leaving the company I work for.
My family was big in the lumber industry and I grew up in it. I know what to watch for when I'm getting a raw deal.
I moved to Tuscaloosa 11 years ago this August and I started out with this company 10 years ago next week. I started out at min wage stacking lumber while going to UA to now being an Assistant Manger/Inspector making a lot more.
My base salary is 54k and I get 1% profit sharing at the end of the year. Last 3 years have been really good as I was getting 14-15k but I expect it to go back to 5-8k this year as the price of lumber is dropping because of the Chinese.
Anyway, like I said earlier I've had 4 recruiters contacting me wanting me to join their companies. Right now the industry doesn't have the skilled labor to meet the demand.
3 out of the four have promised me the moon and I went along with it to see what happens when I open the curtain. Needless to say, it was a ruse and waste of time. Last guy offered me a room in the company house for a year and 35k. One before that offered me $12.50 an hour and all the overtime I wanted and the first one offered me $10 an hour. That last one that offered me 35k almost had me on a plane to Buffalo NY to visit the mill. Then he dropped that bomb and I couldn't put my filter on and responded "If I knew you were going to screw me in the arse I would've asked for a reach around first"
Why are these guys wanted to offer so much less? I know of three mills in MS that pay inspectors straight out of the NHLA school $20 an hour and cover all insurance etc.
How am I supposed to handle this? I am single, no children just a dog. So picking up and moving across the country is no problem to me. I am actually about ready to do that again, but I refuse to do it for less money.
I honestly don't even know how these guys are getting my phone number. I am not on linkedin and I don't have my resume out there.
There is a big shortage for inspectors as the older generation is beginning to retire. There isn't a lot of 20 something's out there willing to work their arse off like I have either. So the market demand is there but the owners don't want to open up their pocketbook. The man I work for does because he and I are a lot alike. I took over a large part of his operation and with a 50k investment for a new equipment line(was a used sorter I found online) I've increased his production and helped him make more money by buying wholesale lumber and keeping the common grades then selling the FAS dried to his other operation and selling the framstock and non oak species to a local furniture company for $250 per 1000 board feet. He now makes money off what used to be considered waste and was either grinded up or given away.
I don't know what to do about this though. If the right money comes around I'll take it, but if not I'm happy where I am at.
This last guy called me today around lunch and I just laid everything out for him. He seemed responsive and said he'd get back in touch with me Friday. However he doesn't work for a mill, he's a head hunter.
If anyone has any advice I am up for it.
Eta: TLDR
Getting a lot of job offers out of nowhere but most want to offer 20k+ less than what I currently make, what do I do?
Since January 1st I have had four different recruiters hounding me about leaving the company I work for.
My family was big in the lumber industry and I grew up in it. I know what to watch for when I'm getting a raw deal.
I moved to Tuscaloosa 11 years ago this August and I started out with this company 10 years ago next week. I started out at min wage stacking lumber while going to UA to now being an Assistant Manger/Inspector making a lot more.
My base salary is 54k and I get 1% profit sharing at the end of the year. Last 3 years have been really good as I was getting 14-15k but I expect it to go back to 5-8k this year as the price of lumber is dropping because of the Chinese.
Anyway, like I said earlier I've had 4 recruiters contacting me wanting me to join their companies. Right now the industry doesn't have the skilled labor to meet the demand.
3 out of the four have promised me the moon and I went along with it to see what happens when I open the curtain. Needless to say, it was a ruse and waste of time. Last guy offered me a room in the company house for a year and 35k. One before that offered me $12.50 an hour and all the overtime I wanted and the first one offered me $10 an hour. That last one that offered me 35k almost had me on a plane to Buffalo NY to visit the mill. Then he dropped that bomb and I couldn't put my filter on and responded "If I knew you were going to screw me in the arse I would've asked for a reach around first"
Why are these guys wanted to offer so much less? I know of three mills in MS that pay inspectors straight out of the NHLA school $20 an hour and cover all insurance etc.
How am I supposed to handle this? I am single, no children just a dog. So picking up and moving across the country is no problem to me. I am actually about ready to do that again, but I refuse to do it for less money.
I honestly don't even know how these guys are getting my phone number. I am not on linkedin and I don't have my resume out there.
There is a big shortage for inspectors as the older generation is beginning to retire. There isn't a lot of 20 something's out there willing to work their arse off like I have either. So the market demand is there but the owners don't want to open up their pocketbook. The man I work for does because he and I are a lot alike. I took over a large part of his operation and with a 50k investment for a new equipment line(was a used sorter I found online) I've increased his production and helped him make more money by buying wholesale lumber and keeping the common grades then selling the FAS dried to his other operation and selling the framstock and non oak species to a local furniture company for $250 per 1000 board feet. He now makes money off what used to be considered waste and was either grinded up or given away.
I don't know what to do about this though. If the right money comes around I'll take it, but if not I'm happy where I am at.
This last guy called me today around lunch and I just laid everything out for him. He seemed responsive and said he'd get back in touch with me Friday. However he doesn't work for a mill, he's a head hunter.
If anyone has any advice I am up for it.
Eta: TLDR
Getting a lot of job offers out of nowhere but most want to offer 20k+ less than what I currently make, what do I do?
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 7:27 pm
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Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:42 pm to oR33Do
Make sure staffing firm that is contacting you is legit.
Sounds like they are looking for people to work by contract and not direct hire for a company.
Sounds like they are looking for people to work by contract and not direct hire for a company.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:43 pm to LSU9102
Well the first 3 were recruiters from direct companies. This last one that called me today is a headhunter and not sure if legit. His business has listings on google etc but I've never heard of it.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 8:36 pm to oR33Do
I'd sit tight if you are happy there. The field (in general) doesn't sound very lucrative and you seem to have a good relationship with your boss. You are making enough to keep the lights on. Keep doing well there and learning and wait for a better situation to present itself. A potential employer will probably value your longevity where you are, I know I am suspect of folks who have jumped around from job to job.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 8:39 pm to oR33Do
You need to have the salary discussion upfront with any new recruiter that contacts you and explain that you have been misled by multiple recruiters recently. Tell them you are trying to save both of your the trouble if the compensation is never going to BR able to align.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 8:56 pm to oR33Do
If you aren't unhappy, why move?
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:20 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
The field (in general) doesn't sound very lucrative
It is when you work behind the scenes and make the connections. The process I am in pretty much went as starting from the bottom and working my way into management learning the whole process along the way to now having my own crew and seeing that my contribution is making money from the very first steps in a process instead of making the money a year from now.
This industry has a lot of unsavory people out there who will gut you just for an extra quarter. They will do it with their employees and their vendors. You find that out very quickly, and learn to not do business with them. The NHLA is built around "Square Dealings" but most don't follow it and market prices show that.
quote:
Keep doing well there and learning and wait for a better situation to present itself.
That is what I've been doing, but I get that itch of wanting a new experience.
I am good where I am at now. I pretty much set my hours as long as production is met.
I really just want to know why these guys low ball me and how they got my phone number and email.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:23 pm to abitabrewed4LSU
quote:
If you aren't unhappy, why move?
Well the root to my problem is I am greedy. I am fair but greedy. I also have the balls to know what I want and how to get it.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:35 pm to oR33Do
The poker players have a saying:
"Greed makes need."
I've been the same firm for over 25 years. I could have left at any point but staying has eventually put me into a position where I won't ever have to leave.
"Greed makes need."
I've been the same firm for over 25 years. I could have left at any point but staying has eventually put me into a position where I won't ever have to leave.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:43 pm to oR33Do
Did you explain to them how much money you currently make? I think that would be a good start.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:50 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
I've been the same firm for over 25 years. I could have left at any point but staying has eventually put me into a position where I won't ever have to leave.
How do you deal with that? Have you not ever woke up and thought one day you would like to pack up and move somewhere new?
Ole Kenny Rogers had this song too..
quote:
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
Posted on 2/18/15 at 10:22 pm to Enfuego
quote:
Did you explain to them how much money you currently make? I think that would be a good start.
The first three I said I'd be interested if the money was right and asked what the offer was. The guy from NY wouldn't say until I spoke with plant manager. The other two responded early and I said thanks, but no thanks.
This last guy I just told him straight forward what I made and if he had a better deal I'm interested, if not then let's not waste each others time.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 10:50 pm to oR33Do
quote:
How do you deal with that?
Would you like to eventually run the firm where you are now? Someone will be in that position (if the firm you are presently at survives) in twenty or thirty years from now. Maybe that person would be you.
I'm now to the point where I have not just learned the business of the specific industry I happen to be in, I've learned how to run a business. Any business. Had I been jumping around from job to job, I doubt I would have had as complete an education and I seriously doubt overall I'd have made the same money or been as in control of my world as I am now.
Staying put at one firm worked for me, I know that's no guarantee for anyone else in other situations but you should at least consider the possibility. Ask for the possibilities of eventual ownership/partnership, it makes a wise boss realize you are a long-termer.
I can tell you that today competent, loyal, trustworthy people are a rare commodity. They will be rarer still in ten or twenty years from now. Any wise businessman needs them and highly values them. They value them to the point of sharing power and treasure with the right one(s).
Just don't interview for a mursing position with a beard. Geesh. Bearded Murses!
Posted on 2/18/15 at 10:55 pm to oR33Do
You seem to have a good relationship with your boss, talk to him about expanding your role/increasing your profit share/salary/etc. Show even more initiative. Sounds like you know the business well enough to make things more efficient/profitable. He knows you are valuable, keep it up. These other offers aren't even close, so focus your energy on your gig, where there could be more loyalty/potential.
This post was edited on 2/19/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 2/19/15 at 7:36 am to Costanza
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talk to him about expanding your role/increasing your profit share/salary/etc
If you phrase it as putting in line your monetary performance rewards with the company's desired performance from you, it should go well. Had this conversation with my boss and he took it well.
Posted on 2/19/15 at 10:52 am to oR33Do
You said you went to UA, did you get a degree?
Honestly, I don't understand what your concern is. You are in an industry that doesn't seem to pay all that well. What is market? Are you making above market? You say the other firms are low-balling you. Yet you say they can't get people to take the jobs. Obviously something has to change.
Unless you are miserable at your current job, or one of these other jobs offer a longer-term opportunity you won't have where you currently are, I would not even consider one of these other positions.
I certainly think it's worth having a conversation with your boss about the future where you are at. But, it doesn't appear you will gain any leverage from competing offers.
Honestly, I don't understand what your concern is. You are in an industry that doesn't seem to pay all that well. What is market? Are you making above market? You say the other firms are low-balling you. Yet you say they can't get people to take the jobs. Obviously something has to change.
Unless you are miserable at your current job, or one of these other jobs offer a longer-term opportunity you won't have where you currently are, I would not even consider one of these other positions.
I certainly think it's worth having a conversation with your boss about the future where you are at. But, it doesn't appear you will gain any leverage from competing offers.
Posted on 2/19/15 at 10:59 am to abitabrewed4LSU
Sounds like you have a damn good spot where you are.
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