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re: Is bitcoin gaining legitimacy?
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:23 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:23 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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The last 6-7 paragraphs say anything about social fairness? Start at "Meanwhile" till the end.
Why should I only take the last 6-7 paragraphs into consideration? She makes a strong social justice argument at the beginning of the article:
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Though this is not its worst crime. The greater flaw is that the Bitcoin system concentrates wealth in the hands of a group of early adopters, and support industries, which end up forming a new elite. It’s a libertarian-minded reward doctrine, but it’s a highly warped one because the incentives which are put in place reward economic agents for unproductive and socially costly behaviours. Talk about a misallocation of capital in a world where there are still genuine needs and more worthwhile risks to take. If there are social benefits they lie only in the jobs which are created for a small section of society, the innovation sparked by an incentive to produce faster and more efficient task-specific computers and the evolution of the payments infrastructure (innovations wherein can be replicated and adopted by other currency regimes). The most compelling social benefit is probably that the scheme encourages people to learn about programming, cryptography and computers and develop skills for a digital age. But none of these benefits currently outweigh the socially destructive aspects of Bitcoin — the most destructive of which is the fact that the system transfers wealth to a small technological elite who had the foresight to invest in infrastructure which can now extract rents from the system (even after supply is no longer growing) in the form of transaction fees. Late comers, however, will never have the means to compete or accumulate anything but a fraction of the wealth of the early adopters. Most importantly, the system fails to protect the economy from the hoarding problem or supply crunches. This is true even if Bitcoins begin to trade as fragments, because the means to fragment the unit does little to distribute wealth from the early stakeholders to the fractional players.
As far as the stuff after "Meanwhile"...
She assumes that fractional lending will continue. The interesting thing about bitcoin is that while fractional lending is possible, it will also be possible to keep very close tabs on lenders to make sure that they have an acceptable amount of reserves, which should prevent misbehavior by lenders.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:30 am to LSURussian
It's all based on what the stoners on reddits say about it, apparently.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:35 am to WikiTiger
A simple lottery would have been the better way to distribute if you weren't looking to create a ponzi scheme.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:38 am to WikiTiger
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Early adopters should get rich because they are the ones that invested their time, energy, and money into an unproven system. They took the biggest risk, they reap the biggest reward.
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a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:41 am to C
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C
Your opinion is certainly valid, but the great thing about bitcoin is that no one is forced to use it. You have chosen not to. That's totally fine.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:42 am to WikiTiger
Wiki, what's your guess on the potential market cap for this?
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:44 am to RebelOP
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Wiki, what's your guess on the potential market cap for this?
There are certain posters here who start whining and crying and threatening to report me to the admins if I speculate on the value.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:45 am to WikiTiger
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the great thing about bitcoin is that no one is forced to use it.
agreed. I just hope people notice the obvious. Like most successful schemes, some people will get very very rich.
I am very interested in the technology and, even if it is bitcoins when the price is $1,000,000,000:1btc, look forward to using it.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:47 am to WikiTiger
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There are certain posters here who start whining and crying and threatening to report me to the admins if I speculate on the value.
haha I'd love to know your logic behind a number like that (even if you won't give a number.)
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:47 am to WikiTiger
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There are certain posters here who start whining and crying and threatening to report me to the admins if I speculate on the value.
Didn't you just ask people to speculate earlier? You always do that. I don't know why.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:49 am to WikiTiger
Wiki, right now Mt.Gox is showing a price of 733/coin but yet coinbase and btc-e are showing around 622. What's to stop me from buying on coinbase and then selling on mt.gox?
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:51 am to RebelOP
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Wiki, right now Mt.Gox is showing a price of 733/coin but yet coinbase and btc-e are showing around 622. What's to stop me from buying on coinbase and then selling on mt.gox?
Time delays in transferring money.
Many people attempt arbitrage with bitcoin. Most don't succeed.
Furthermore, getting USD out of MtGox is a VERY slow process right now.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:51 am to RebelOP
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What's to stop me from buying on coinbase and then selling on mt.gox?
The same thing that's stoping a person owning a bitcoin from selling on mt gox and then buying on coinbase. The prices likely aren't accurate and will take days to process.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:56 am to Broke
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Didn't you just ask people to speculate earlier? You always do that. I don't know why.
Because I don't care if people speculate on values. I'm not whiny.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:59 am to Broke
quote:A process named after Mr. Charles Ponzi???
Quick, somebody tell me what this sounds like.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:59 am to WikiTiger
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I'm not whiny.
I'm probably the most critical of anyone posting values because I think their ability to do so is likely dubious.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:01 am to WikiTiger
quote:I've never read of anyone on here threatening to report you to the admins for speculating on the potential value of bitcoins.
and threatening to report me to the admins if I speculate on the value.
Do you have a link to back up your claim?
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:05 am to LSURussian
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I've never read of anyone on here threatening to report you to the admins for speculating on the potential value of bitcoins.
Do you have a link to back up your claim?
I can't recall anybody threatening that. He just doesn't disclose info. He won't say how many bitcoin he has, he won't say how high he thinks it will go, he won't say what he thinks fair market value is. Just very shifty answers to questions.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:35 am to WikiTiger
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Why should I only take the last 6-7 paragraphs into consideration? She makes a strong social justice argument at the beginning of the article:
Because I don't care about social justice arguments, there is no end result of the argument, just arguments based on belief.
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She assumes that fractional lending will continue. The interesting thing about bitcoin is that while fractional lending is possible, it will also be possible to keep very close tabs on lenders to make sure that they have an acceptable amount of reserves, which should prevent misbehavior by lenders.
Do you have any idea how many times I've heard the bolded?
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