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How much is enough in the 529 accounts?

Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:56 am
I'm doing some end of the year planning and my 5-year-old has almost 14k in the start account. I know that isn't near enough, and I plan to keep contributing since I can. However, this made me wonder if any of you are shutting it down when you hit a certain number. Or are you just contributing until they finish high school?
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
29223 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:02 am to
Wife and I are contributing to both kids up to the annual state deduction limit.

I think we will likely back off/stop during high school. It'll mostly depend on how much they have and whether it appears they will be smart or not
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80764 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:16 pm to
We do $200/month for 1 kid since he was born. The idea is that over the course of 18 years, contributions alone will be $43k + growth (6% annual conservative estimate) would give us ~$75k. Probably won't cover the full 4 year cost but I think there will be a major bubble burst in the next 18 years. Higher ed costs can't continue on the current trajectory.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5568 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

would give us ~$75k


That's about what I estimated as well. We spend roughly $14k/year on each kid's tuition, summer camps, aftercare, etc and that money could just be put towards college as well. I'm not sure I'll need the full $75k when my kids reach college. If I knew TOPS would still be a thing in 12-13 years, then I certainly wouldn't need it. I'm just thinking that at some point I might be better off sticking the money elsewhere.
Posted by Purpleblooded
Member since Dec 2019
580 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 3:24 pm to
Looking into this as well. The state has a 529 and its matches up to a certain %, but it can ONLY be used for college stuff. If you take out money after that it’s like a 10% penalty.
Is this what everyone is doing or is there something else out there?
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16214 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 4:07 pm to
I'll have about $55K for each child (2) when they go to college so whatever is in there is what they will get. If that's not enough they better keep studying hard for scholarships or take out a loan if they want to go to a more expensive school. I'm maxing out my retirement accounts. That's more important than saving $100K for each kid for college when there's tons of money out there to help. I'm hoping that I won't have to use any of that money and they get full rides somewhere.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 5:08 pm to
Aiming for 50k per kid in 529. I’ll fund the rest as needed. Don’t want to get caught with too much trapped in 529 incase they don’t go at all or do a technical degree.
Posted by contraryman
Earth
Member since Dec 2007
1772 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 5:24 pm to
Our goal was 100k for both kids when they were born. We reached that level and with growth we had @127k when the first went to college last year. She decided to go out of state and we believe we have enough with scholarship $$ to cover the 4 years.

If you stay in state and tops doesn’t change we estimated that 60 to 80k would be the number.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
5976 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 6:04 pm to
Are there any stipulations as to what the money can be applied to? Like room and board? Transportation, etc. Or is it basically just tuition only?
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 6:05 pm
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3712 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:28 am to
My daughter has a loan at 1.5%, anything can happen so don’t oversave in 529, just do enough that it takes the impact away when they go.

Biden going to give you some free too....
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16324 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:46 am to
I use a UTMA. It does not get the tax advantages or match as a 529, but you can use it on anything relating to the child. Also, the interest is taxed at the child's tax rate. Right now we use it as a savings for college as well as to cover next year's tuition. When the bill comes, we just request that amount to come out. I would like to be able to foot 6 years of college as I think grad school will be necessary, but I am also not trying to kill myself and sacrifice living life for the sake of possibly needing the funds for college.

You can use these funds on anything for the child, tuition, meals, clothes, car, room & board...

Down side to the UTMA, control turns over to the child at 18 (some States it is 21), so it will become their money and can blow it how they want. When in HS we will try to teach them about the value of not blowing the funds on top end cars, hookers & blow, stupid tech... basically the shite we did
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5568 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:32 am to
quote:

Are there any stipulations as to what the money can be applied to? Like room and board? Transportation, etc. Or is it basically just tuition only?



LA Start FAQs

quote:


What are the expenses that can be paid with START account funds?
These funds may be used to pay Qualified Higher Education Expenses, which are limited to the following:

Tuition
Fees
Books
Supplies
Equipment
Room and Board (if the student is attending on at least a half-time basis)
Expenses for "special needs"



"Room and board" is different for each college. For 2019-2020, I believe LSU was roughly up to $12k per year. So you could withdraw $12k per year per student for room and board. My kids aren't near the age yet so maybe someone with experience can explain how easy this works. I think on-campus expenses can be withdrawn to the exact amount. However, I'm not sure if off-campus living expenses have to be 'proven'.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:05 pm to
My son(14) started getting about $1,100 per month in Social Security last year. I just transfer the exact amount into the plan. I figure it will be a great start even if it's not enough.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3254 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:18 pm to
It’s costing me about $17K/year right now at LSU

Tuition
Books
Rent
Food.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 10/8/20 at 6:34 am to
quote:

My son(14) started getting about $1,100 per month in Social Security last year.
why does he need college if he’s already retired ?
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20366 posts
Posted on 10/8/20 at 7:05 am to
Funding up to $100k before high school is the goal for three kids. The 5 year old has 70k, 3 year old has 12k and the baby has 0. I hope to knock out the 5 year old in a couple of years
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:35 am to
quote:

why does he need college if he’s already retired ?

He's in 9th grade.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

I think there will be a major bubble burst in the next 18 years. Higher ed costs can't continue on the current trajectory.


I'm absolutely not picking on you.

People say this all the time, and I'd love for it to be true...but I'm not sure its actually going to happen. Especially since credit is available to pay for it. I can see the astronomical costs rate of growth slow, but there would have to be some major, major contraction to bust that bubble.
Posted by CrawfishOfWallstreet
Member since Oct 2020
253 posts
Posted on 11/3/20 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

I use a UTMA. It does not get the tax advantages or match as a 529, but you can use it on anything relating to the child. Also, the interest is taxed at the child's tax rate. Right now we use it as a savings for college as well as to cover next year's tuition. When the bill comes, we just request that amount to come out. I would like to be able to foot 6 years of college as I think grad school will be necessary, but I am also not trying to kill myself and sacrifice living life for the sake of possibly needing the funds for college.

You can use these funds on anything for the child, tuition, meals, clothes, car, room & board...

Down side to the UTMA, control turns over to the child at 18 (some States it is 21), so it will become their money and can blow it how they want. When in HS we will try to teach them about the value of not blowing the funds on top end cars, hookers & blow, stupid tech... basically the shite we did


With the exception of a car, every expense you mentioned can be paid using 529 assets tax free.

Also, while the first $1,100 of earnings in a UTMA is actually tax free, and next $1,100 is taxed at the child’s tax rate (Kiddie Tax), any earnings above that are taxed at the parent’s income tax rate.

Additionally, for the purpose of calculating expected financial contribution, and subsequently need based financial aid, UTMA assets are considered assets of the child, and up to 35% of those assets can be included in the expected contribution formula. 529 assets on the other hand, are considered assets of the parent, and are included at a max rate of 5.6%.

Finally, the ”beneficiary” on a UTMA account cannot be changed, because the assets actually belong to the minor. On the other hand, if you have excess funds in one child’s 529 account, you may change the beneficiary of those funds to another child or relative at any time.

The only pro I can think of for a UTMA vs a 529 account is a wider range of investment options in a UTMA, but there are 529 providers with low cost etfs on their platforms these days.

When saving for educational expenses, UTMA accounts are inferior in almost every way to 529 plans.
Posted by flamot1
Welsh
Member since Oct 2005
116 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:11 pm to
Has anyone opened a 529 K12 account? I was checking my son's 529 performance and saw the announcement of the K12 program that apparently began in 2019. It appears that I have to open a second account for the K12, and any funds from it can roll over to the traditional START account if needed. You cannot move funds from the START to the K12, though.
My son will begin private school kindergarten next year, so I'm thinking that I should open a K12 and pass money through to pay for his private school education. Anyone doing this?
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