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How far does Oil fall?

Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
5985 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:02 pm
Took a complete arse beating today. Hope the guy with 5k shares of XOM took my advice and sold some calls the other day.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14515 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:03 pm to
Load the boat at $75. Just a wild-arse guess.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40522 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:05 pm to
When Saudi Arabia decides to halt its production cuts, way down
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6496 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 10:21 pm to
Cheap energy may just may enable a soft landing

It has been my biggest frustration with this administrations monetary policy. Squeezing energy w8th rigid policy during high inflationary period is foolish as frick.

That being said, my xom buy target is 108. May have to re evaluated if this continues to show no sign of a bottom
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5700 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:10 am to
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How far does Oil fall?
$40 economy fricked
Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
1788 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 7:02 am to
Saudi Arabia, Russia and other countries, oil is the cash cow that funds their governments. The royals subsidize just about everything for it's peasants to keep them happy. During last oil downturn, royals govt had big shortfall and had to remove or lower some subsidies for the peasants and they like to have went nuts. I do not see those regimes allowing oil to stay low for extended periods of time
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84883 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 7:27 am to
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I do not see those regimes allowing oil to stay low for extended periods of time


It’s not that simple though. To increase the price of oil they have to decrease supply. Less barrels at a higher price isn’t necessarily better than more barrels at a lower price.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58131 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:03 am to
It’s such a strange thing to follow along to the ups and downs of the expectations on oil prices.
Last week some of the politard folks were in panick mode predicting oil could be $150 to $200 next year.

I can’t imagine how frustrating it would be to be an owner of one of the smaller companies trying to plan your business and future around such and unpredictable commodity.
Even if general supply and demand figures show a healthy price, one or two countries can change their mind about their strategy and fck it all up.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:11 am to
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How far does Oil fall?
I think the price of oil is going to fall until it gets to its lowest price for this price cycle and then it's going to start going up again.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4390 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:24 am to
There is clear demand destruction occurring across a wide swath of the middle class economy. Perhaps it’s he impact of the student loan stuff, but a lot of Americans are traveling less, eating out less, and making conscious decisions about energy consumption.

Rents are declining, Air BNB rentals are declining, and a lot of restaurants and retail chains are closing a number of their locations.

If the current administration makes a decision to replenish SPR it might have an impact, but there are no signs of that happening today.

Diesel fuel shortages will increase in frequency …. primarily due to Russia’s ban on exports and increased regulatory impact by current US policy towards energy.

IMO, Oil could drop further based on further demand destruction …. which is what the Fed desires. Increased fuel prices in general will add to that demand destruction.

The S&P, oil, gold, silver ….. all are currently bouncing off of key support levels ….

And if those key support levels are broken, we could certainly see further declines.

Your question was how much of a drop though …. and that’s a more difficult prediction to make.

Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58131 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:43 am to
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Perhaps it’s he impact of the student loan stuff, but a lot of Americans are traveling less, eating out less, and making conscious decisions about energy consumption.


I guess the cutting back in travel could be finally happening, but it sure doesn’t seem like that’s been the case at all recently.
Overall you make good points though
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14460 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:07 am to
These days the gains dont last unless you get there and sell some of it. You up big one month down big the next. Same for all sectors it seems.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51614 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:38 am to
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How far does Oil fall?


There's way too much chaos to gauge that right now.

We're heading into a bad economic season (another interest hike at the end of the month all but written in stone, continued rising credit card debt, continued rising delinquencies, PPI rising, CPI rising, student loan repayments starting back up, etc. and absolutely nothing on the horizon to change any of that before -at least- sometime next year) so demand should drop as we hit the recession (meaning prices drop as supplies build). Does OPEC cut production even more to drive prices up? Does the US consumer double-down on the "frick it" mentality and spend even more into debt by travelling more? Biden mandated a 50% increase in ethanol back around May, do we get a shite yield next year (making corn, thus domestic gasoline, prices go up)?

And those are just the things off the top of my head.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68620 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:45 am to
i didnt take my own advice and sell.

But i also didnt have 600k sitting in there.

Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
5985 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:54 am to
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i didnt take my own advice and sell.


Same here, but damn. I gotta start learning my lesson and taking some chips off the table every now and then
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
295 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:04 pm to
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There's way too much chaos to gauge that right now.

We're heading into a bad economic season (another interest hike at the end of the month all but written in stone, continued rising credit card debt, continued rising delinquencies, PPI rising, CPI rising, student loan repayments starting back up, etc. and absolutely nothing on the horizon to change any of that before -at least- sometime next year) so demand should drop as we hit the recession (meaning prices drop as supplies build). Does OPEC cut production even more to drive prices up? Does the US consumer double-down on the "frick it" mentality and spend even more into debt by travelling more? Biden mandated a 50% increase in ethanol back around May, do we get a shite yield next year (making corn, thus domestic gasoline, prices go up)?

And those are just the things off the top of my head.


Then tack onto that the fact that UKR may collapse if we stop funding them, BRICs unpredictability, possibility of war over Taiwan, etc.....I think oil will stabilize or go up, I doubt it collapses, but then again, I bought ORGN, so what do I know?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58131 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:09 pm to
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BRICs unpredictability, possibility of war over Taiwan,


Meh. Pretty far fetch either of these happening, especially the joke about BRICS meaning anything on a global scale that will matter.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12883 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 1:18 pm to
This is all part of Dementia Joe’s plan to refill the SPR cheap. Man is a genius tanking the economy!
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
295 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:28 pm to
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Meh. Pretty far fetch either of these happening, especially the joke about BRICS meaning anything on a global scale that will matter.


I tend to agree with you on BRICs, but WRT to Taiwan, you might want to check that. Signs are all there, and if they're going to go, the clock is ticking. If Pooh Bear doesn't go within the next four years, he won't go at all.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84883 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:35 pm to
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Same here, but damn. I gotta start learning my lesson and taking some chips off the table every now and then


I’ve mentioned it many times in individual stock threads - if you have X amount of money in a stock, the decision to buy more, hold, or sell should first start with this question: if I didn’t own this stock, would I buy X amount today? If no, sell some or all. If yes, consider holding or buying more.

There are other considerations like taxes, but the first test is the most important.
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