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How about VUG for my Roth IRA, with some foreign ETF mixed in?

Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:20 am
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21348 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:20 am
***Update: I’ve suspended my Roth contributions with my financial advisor and opened one with fidelity. Now I need to settle on what I’m going to invest in. I was thinking VTI OR VUG with a little foreign split. Maybe like 90% with 10% VXUS. I’m only 27 so I’m all about growth and won’t be needing this money anytime soon. Is it smarter to invest in VUG instead of VTI? It seems to have far more growth than VTI but maybe is riskier? It’ll be 30 years or more before I pull anything out of this so hopefully for now I can ride out any down waves in the market. I’d appreciate the boards thoughts on that because most seemed to suggest VTI.

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I usually check my balances/transactions through my financial aggregator. I hadn't logged into the more robust portal on American Funds in quite a while. I'd always made adjustments via my financial advisor since they run the account.

Apparently it looks like you can buy funds right through American funds now. I don't think they had that capability 4 years ago when I started the fund.

Anyway I can see through there that I'm paying about 5.75% in fees each month for each transaction. Is there anyway around this to minimize fees or is that about standard? I'm still in my 20s so I'm trying to increase my savings and reduce my costs anywhere I can because anything I do now will obviously balloon exponentially by the time I'm able to retire.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 8:15 am
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:23 am to
You want to save fees, don't invest in American Funds to begin with. Just go with Vanguard ETFS or funds if you just want passive exposure.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14524 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:32 am to
I made this same mistake when I started in my 20s. American Funds are the highest load funds out there, and I would get rid of any advisor that would put you in those.

As the next post said, you can get in some long-term Vanguard funds for fees under 1%. Your American Funds would have to outperform Vanguard by 5% just to break even for you, and they aren't doing that.
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
19118 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:39 am to
I have Fidelity and just put all my money in the FXAIX. It’s their 500 index fund clone. Expense ratio is 0.015%.

quote:

Fidelity® 500 Index is one of the cheapest options for well-diversified, low-turnover, low-cost exposure to U.S. large-cap stocks. It delivers high-fidelity replication of the performance of the S&P 500, a market-cap-weighted portfolio representative of the large-blend Morningstar Category. Its razor-thin expense ratio gives the fund a durable performance edge over its category peers. These considerations earn it a Morningstar Analyst Rating of Gold.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21348 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:46 am to
Are we getting to the point where technology is starting to make financial advisors less relevant for basic stuff? Similar to travel agents? What I'm doing right now is not very sophisticated. When I started saving I couldn't even make any purchases on AF without a broker so that's why I have my financial advisor. Earlier this year I did discuss with him about rebalancing and going much heavier on growth. That's also gotten me much better dividends already. I think just this week one of my accounts paid out a dividend worth 6 months of my contributions so I'm pleased with that move.

I'm hesitant though to just cut my guy loose. I'll see if I can ask him if we can get those fees down.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11191 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:48 am to
Vanguard has embarassing UI. It's so bad it makes me thinks it's bad for sinister reasons.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72929 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:56 am to
RUN AWAY FROM EDWARD JONES!!!

WTF do you need a FA for? do you have millions you need help with? About to retire and need advice?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

I have Fidelity and just put all my money in the FXAIX


Same here.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:10 pm to
Just cut him loose and with a swiftness! He is not your friend or ally he has been gouging you for a task you could easily do on your own. Move to a low cost provider such as Vanguard, Schwab or Fidelity and don't look back. Unless you don't trust yourself to stay the course in a down market and need a FA for the emotional support that is.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72929 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Move to a low cost provider such as Vanguard, Schwab or Fidelity and don't look back


no shite? who woulda thunk it?
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5677 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:54 pm to
I moved to Vanguard from a FA a few years ago and it has proven to be an all around better decision for me personally. For the first year I was paying VG 0.3% advisor fee, then I took the training wheels off and do it myself now. Incredibly easy: buy 70% VTI, 30% VXUS. We now have a 401K at work that has fees, and I tried to get out of those but it was more expensive to go it alone. But being able to build roth401k bucket with 3% match makes it worth it.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Vanguard has embarassing UI.


Agreed. I don't recommend Vanguard as far as the brokerage site to use, but do recommend their funds/ETF's. I use Fidelity as my brokerage company and am very happy with their UI.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

Are we getting to the point where technology is starting to make financial advisors less relevant for basic stuff? Similar to travel agents?


Yes. It's mostly boomers who grew up with a financial advisor that feel like they still need them. Just do some basic research about what percent equities vs bonds you should have at different ages and then choose passively managed funds/ETF's for those buckets. No need to pay an advisor for that. It's very easy to set up an account on an online brokerage site like Fidelity or Etrade.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85125 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

RUN AWAY FROM EDWARD JONES!!!

WTF do you need a FA for? do you have millions you need help with? About to retire and need advice?





Some people need help. Some people don’t. Regardless, people should talk to an advisor or 3 and decide for themselves. Most folks don’t even know what questions to ask to find out if they even need help.

A good FA is worth it. A bad one isn’t. Pretty cut and dry.

Eta- for the OP specifically, if your FA cannot articulate his value, then move or go it alone.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 8:08 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41706 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

Am I paying too much in fees for my Roth IRA?

Is your Roth IRA with vanguard? If not, then yes.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1425 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Agreed. I don't recommend Vanguard as far as the brokerage site to use, but do recommend their funds/ETF's. I use Fidelity as my brokerage company and am very happy with their UI.


+1

I used Vanguard for several years after college and hated their website. After Vanguard introduced ETFs, I moved everything over to Fidelity and couldn't be happier. Most of my portfolio is comprised of Vanguard ETFs at Fidelity.


Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
25746 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

Vanguard has embarassing UI. It's so bad it makes me thinks it's bad for sinister reasons.
Do you have a layman’s explanation of this?
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2026 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:15 am to
quote:

I usually check my balances/transactions through my financial aggregator. I hadn't logged into the more robust portal on American Funds in quite a while. I'd always made adjustments via my financial advisor since they run the account.

Apparently it looks like you can buy funds right through American funds now. I don't think they had that capability 4 years ago when I started the fund.

Anyway I can see through there that I'm paying about 5.75% in fees each month for each transaction. Is there anyway around this to minimize fees or is that about standard? I'm still in my 20s so I'm trying to increase my savings and reduce my costs anywhere I can because anything I do now will obviously balloon exponentially by the time I'm able to retire.
It seems apparent you do not understand how much you are actually paying in fees. 5.75% might be the loads to purchase/sell some securities, but you're most certainly also paying a management fee if you have an advisor (who is getting commissions on buying and selling your AF mutual funds).

Regardless, you're paying WAY too much to accomplish what you want to accomplish...financial advisor or not.

If you want to do it yourself, read a lot of the responses above. You can find low-cost, no-transaction-fee ("NTF") mutual funds or ETFs that provide exposure to the markets in which you should be diversified. You could literally save thousands of dollars a year doing it this way if you know what your doing and are comfortable with your level of sophistication to apply a prudent investment strategy across your portfolio.

If you want a financial advisor, you should be able to find a fee-only advisor with management fees below 1.2% depending on your assets under management. You can start your search on NAPFA.org. You don't have to pay commissions to implement an excellent investment strategy. I'm a CFP(R) professional and a fee-only financial advisor. The ONLY way our firm gets paid is through one-time financial planning fees and management fees based on AUM. We implement strategies with no-load mutual funds from mutual fund companies we have researched thoroughly and trust their process. But because we don't accept commissions, we are not beholden to them and can literally move all our client assets to other mutual funds tomorrow with no consequences other than taxes in non-retirement accounts.

There are tons of reasons to hire a financial advisor or planner that are outside the realm of "investments". If you asked my clients what I do, they would describe major life events (family member dying, job transition, saving for kids college, tax planning, etc.) I helped walk them through and major decisions I helped them think through. Very few, if any, would mention investments first. The main driver of not hiring one is expense. A do-it-yourselfer can save money by managing their investments themselves. For those folks, a financial planner makes more sense to review their situation and give them some great direction.

tl;dr - You are paying way too much in fees. Consider doing it yourself with low-cost ETFs or mutual funds or hiring a competent, fiduciary, fee-only financial advisor or planner.
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2026 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:17 am to
quote:

Do you have a layman’s explanation of this?
"UI" = User Interface

I'm not exactly sure what he means in terms of sinister reasons...why would a major brokerage firm want their UI to be bad?
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42574 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:20 am to
Their UI is geared towards Boomers. If you have ever dealt with that generation and technology, you will understand.
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