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Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:41 pm
Quarter point increase. 100%.

They could stop there...but they won't. The fricking stock market won't come down so Powell is gonna do his best to punch em in the face tomorrow. Expect the statement to say "more increases to come" and then Powell to trot out and talk as tough as he possibly can under the circumstances.

Hopefully it works because I'm nearly out of dollar shorts and need to reload. Today was amazing with that giant swing.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:18 pm to
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I'm nearly out of dollar shorts and need to reload.
You’re probably going to have trouble finding shorts for $1, because even Dollar Tree increased their prices to $1.25. You still could have luck though at Goodwill or another thrift store.
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:36 pm to
Well this is starting out as a good thread to leave on.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13616 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:14 pm to
.5% increase. Until unemployment goes up the Fed will keep raising.
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:21 pm to
We shall see ;)
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13616 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:30 pm to
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We shall see ;)


That’s not some market genius prediction (I am far from anything genius when it comes to finances or anything else), it is just what the Fed is indicating. I hope I am wrong. I just have not heard or seen anything from the Fed to convince me otherwise. Wages rose 1% in December. They have been much more concerned about wage inflation than CPI lately. I just think everyone expecting .25% and even a pivot by year end is overly optimistic. Don’t fight the fed when it is pouring free money in or when it is tightening. They way undershot on the way up with inflation (basically the last people in the financial world that thought inflation was transitory) and history indicates they will overshoot on the way down.

Also, I am not negative overall. if the Fed does ease up I believe we will be up at least 25% this year(S&P) even with a recession. We either retest October lows soon or straight line to 4300.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:11 pm to
I would be shocked if they went 50 and you could count on stock markets shitting the bed if they did. Im as close to a crystal ball as you are gonna get in Money Talk so go ahead and bank on the scenario I laid out up top. 50 would be phenomenal for me to reload USD shorts, but its gonna be .25 and then another .25 next meeting.

If I'm wrong and they go 50, holy shite at the drop you'll get in stocks and the instant jump in the dollar.

Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:24 pm to
Lemme say this though. I want to get short the USD at higher prices.

I would hate to be seriously short going into this meeting for 2 reasons:

1. Its already pretty low (USD) under the circumstances

2. They could surprise with a 50 and cause pandemonium which would be extraordinarily strong for the dollar on interest rate differentials and safety flows.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37695 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:08 am to
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.5% increase. Until unemployment goes up the Fed will keep raising.


Won't happen but this is what needs to happen. Time to show the world he is serious about his legacy.

HAMMER THE MARKET WITH 50 BASIS POINTS JP!
Posted by JimMorrison
The Peninsula
Member since May 2012
20747 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:12 am to
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if the Fed does ease up I believe we will be up at least 25% this year(S&P) even with a recession. We either retest October lows soon or straight line to 4300.


IF they eased now, it would be incredibly bearish for them to accept high inflation and further hurt consumer spending, but in the short-term, dumb money would try to rally the S&P.

This earnings season is already lackluster with companies guiding estimates down being the common theme. Even if the Fed eased, the S&P valuation is stretched based on current forward earnings and the estimates are just going to get worse no matter what the Fed does today. The damage is done.

.50 raise would be a huge surprise so I'm expecting .25 with Powell trying to hawk down the market. "Higher for longer" "no cuts in 2023"
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5689 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:07 am to
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I am not negative overall.
I am
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:06 am to
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HAMMER THE MARKET WITH 50 BASIS POINTS JP!


Hell I hope they do. It'll make the day eventful, to say the least.
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:17 am to
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"Higher for longer" "no cuts in 2023"


There is a VERY easy way to pause rate hikes AND bring down stock markets. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, by anyone, so maybe I'm missing something but....

Average.
Inflation.
Targeting.

If Powell was to come out and say that they would allow a period of below 2% inflation to get back to a 2% average after years of high inflation, then markets would drop to levels we all deem as appropriate and they could go ahead and pause.

I dont know why thats not the plan and/or why they haven't mentioned it.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10258 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:22 am to
99.99% chance we get .25%

No way Powell has the guts to do what’s necessary kill the froth and surprise with a .50%

I think the wild card prediction could be hinting at the need to go to .50% next time if inflation ticks back up (many areas already are).

Pop and drop. JMO
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:04 am to
Oh dam. ISM and JOLTS numbers very hawkish for fed.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14441 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:14 pm to
anybody hoping for .50 today ? Kinda hoping got my eye on a few big boys but not buying at these prices.
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:55 pm to
I would love a 50 for the same reason. Better entry points. I'm hoping he can talk enough shite after a .25 to get us there.
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3076 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:28 pm to
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Quarter point increase. 100%.


Three downvoters owe you an apology today.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13616 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:05 pm to
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IF they eased now, it would be incredibly bearish for them to accept high inflation and further hurt consumer spending, but in the short-term, dumb money would try to rally the S&P.


I was referring to Easing up from .5 to .25, not cutting. It has not been bearish at all. The market is going up a lot since the fed started talking. If it breaks through this 4100 (sustained) it is going to 4300.

I am surprised they did not keep the number at .5 with commodities rising and unemployment still so low. The dollar has come in and inflation is coming down, but their hands are now forced to stay at .25 for the next cut.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14441 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:06 pm to
Oh well
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