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re: Exxon is in the $63 range ** back on topic

Posted on 2/17/10 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 2:46 pm to
Yes, I firmly believe there are people out there who follow Buffet so closely that when he sells something, no matter that it was just to raise money for something else, those people will also sell.

Of course, XOM had such a big run up yesterday, some people may be taking some profits.

I didn't know the entire energy sector was down today. I just see HAL and BHI are up and oil closed up .49/ so I assumed the energy sector was up.

Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 3:07 pm to
XOM closes at $65.76, down 0.78%.

and VERY good news at the end of the day for Exxon's future:

(Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram (Fort Worth, Texas))trackingBy Jack Z. Smith, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Texas

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Feb. 17--XTO Energy today reported robust earnings of $537 million, or 92 cents per share, on record revenues of $2.34 billion for the fourth quarter of 2009.

That compared to earnings of $351 million, or 61 cents per share, on revenues of $1.96 billion for the fourth quarter of 2008.

For all of 2009, the Fort Worth-based natural gas and oil producer had record earnings of $2.02 billion, or $3.46 per share, on record revenues of $9.06 billion. That compared to earnings of $1.91 billion, or $3.54 per share, on revenues of $7.7 billion for 2008.

After adjustments for unusual items, fourth-quarter and full-year earnings for 2009 were $542 million and $2.09 billion, respectively, compared to comparable fourth-quarter and full-year earnings for 2008 of $393 million and $1.95 billion, respectively.

XTO, expected to be acquired by Irving-based Exxon Mobil Corp. in the second quarter, also announced today that it had record production equivalent to 2.88 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day for the fourth quarter of 2009, up 9 percent from 2.64 billion cubic feet per day in the fourth quarter of 2008.

For all of 2009, XTO said its gas production averaged a record 2.34 billion cubic feet per day, up 23 percent from 2008, and its oil production averaged a record 66,300 barrels per day, up 18 percent from 2008.

The company said its proved reserves as of Dec. 31 were the equivalent of 14.83 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, a record that represents a 9 percent increase of nearly a trillion cubic feet over proved reserves of 13.86 trillion cubic feet as of year-end 2008. The reserve estimates were made by Miller and Lents, Ltd., independent petroleum engineers, XTO said.

The company's natural gas reserves increased 6 percent to 12.5 trillion cubic feet and, combined with natural gas liquids of 93 million barrels, equaled 88 percent of reserves. Oil reserves increased 10 percent to 294 million barrels.

XTO has been a leader in major U.S. shale-gas plays, including the Barnett Shale of North Texas. That's a primary reason why Exxon Mobil was attracted to XTO, which it plans to buy for about $31 billion in an all-stock transaction, pending approval of XTO shareholders. The deal is valued at about $41 billion when including approximately $10 billion in XTO debt that Exxon would assume.


Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 3:09 pm to
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 3:32 pm to
A bollinger band is just an average range in which a stock is likely to trade. The wider the bands the more volatile the security and vice versa. The middle band is just the simple 20-day moving average with the upper being 2 standard deviations above that level and the lower 2 standard deviations below. Once a stock is trading above or below its upper or lower bollinger band, that security is thought to be trading outside of its fair valuation range and prices at either of those two extremes are tremendously hard to sustain.

In fact, one of the things I look for when shorting a stock is to find one trading outside of its upper bollie. If the leadings indicators agree (StochRSI, CCI, Wm%R, Fast STO), then it is likely a good candidate.

Lastly, though it is hard to sustain any price which falls outside of the bollies, it is harder to sustain prices which are ABOVE the upper bollie, as there is a natural downward pressure on every stock anyway.

Here's a good read:

LINK
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 3:33 pm to
I am in complete agreement with you on buffet. People follow the gurus daily.

LINK
Posted by Zilla
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

there is a natural downward pressure on every stock anyway.


can you expand on this ?
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 9:08 pm to
Price action can be said to be influenced in much the same way matter is influenced by gravity in that it takes something to push it up and then another something to keep it there but it takes absolutely nothing to push it down. Obviously this is a generalization and it does take "something" to push a stock down I.e. Selling , dilution etc. But those events can be preceded by absolutely nothing (suchas a period of months with no news from the company) whereas an increase in price action is rarely, if ever, preceded by that same nothingness. So, in summary, downward price action can be preceded by either a) some material event or b) no material events. Upward price action can only be preceded by some material event (be it technical or fundamental). Thus there is a natural tendency for price action to depreciate as such an occurrence can take place without any prior cause. Lastly people invest in the stock market to make money and that money can only be made when those people sell so there will always be more of a tendency for people to sell than there will be for them to buy thus leading to downward pressure constantly being put on stocks. Even companies that people want to hold can still see selloffs for reasons completely unrelated to the stock I.e. Tough economic times.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Price action can be said to be influenced in much the same way matter is influenced by gravity in that it takes something to push it up and then another something to keep it there but it takes absolutely nothing to push it down. Obviously this is a generalization and it does take "something" to push a stock down I.e. Selling , dilution etc. But those events can be preceded by absolutely nothing (such as a period of months with no news from the company) whereas an increase in price action is rarely, if ever, preceded by that same nothingness. So, in summary, downward price action can be preceded by either a) some material event or b) no material events. Upward price action can only be preceded by some material event (be it technical or fundamental). Thus there is a natural tendency for price action to depreciate as such an occurrence can take place without any prior cause. Lastly people invest in the stock market to make money and that money can only be made when those people sell so there will always be more of a tendency for people to sell than there will be for them to buy thus leading to downward pressure constantly being put on stocks. Even companies that people want to hold can still see selloffs for reasons completely unrelated to the stock I.e. Tough economic times.


I just don't get this ... I'm not saying you are wrong, I just can't grasp your points ..... In fact, I would tend to argue the other side and say there is more natural tendency for prices to rise for a lot of reasons ...for example, 401k contributions, GDP growth, natural optimism (usually) etc.... Having said that, and after seeing all of your technical work, I assume I am wrong and just am not getting it....

seems to me like every example you made could be argued that there is an equal and opposite "force" in the other direction... do you have any links reinforcing your assertion that could better help me understand. thanks again RSBR

Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:22 am to
I haven't done any empirical research on this topic or anything like that. And this would probably be a discussion better suited for the economic philosophers out there as opposed to just a finance guy like myself. But I have come to find in my personal experience that it is always just much easier for price to depreciate than it is for it to appreciate. I believe this is so because appreciation requires financial, physical, and mental input. In turn, that input requires energy, and since energy is a limited resource, it appears to me that naturally there would be a tendency for price to move in the direction that does not require energy (down).

I think this same model can be applied to a number of different scenarios. Take Presidential approval ratings for example. For the President's ratings to improve, he must do something that the people find favorable. They will not improve on their own. For them to decline, he must either do something that the people find unfavorable OR (and this is the kicker) nothing at all. Since it is much easier to do nothing than to do something, it appears that it will always be easier for his ratings to move in the direction that can be effected by nothingness (down). I think that same theorization can also be applied to the financial markets.

I hope this isn't too "out there". This type of economic philosophizing is not my expertise by any means, but I do think it's just natural for stocks to deflate in price.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 2:54 pm to
And there's the pullback.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 3:35 pm to
I sold at $66, I'll come back in if we get to the 64.xx range
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 3:40 pm to
I apologize for not being clear. I was referring to MVIS.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 2/23/10 at 1:17 pm to
Just for the record, MVIS bounced off of 2.20 today

:)
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 2/23/10 at 1:32 pm to
What percent loss was that?
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/23/10 at 1:35 pm to
About 10 percent from 2.45. Yikes. Hope people didn't buy it back then when it was overbought.

quote:

MVIS has nice support at 2.45. However, the stock is somewhat overbought and is trading outside of its upper bollinger band. The good news for those looking to hold 2.45 is that volume has dried up, so this appears to be only a low-volume pullback. That being said, I do think this one will fall back down and retest the 20-day moving average at around 2.20-2.30.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Just for the record, MVIS bounced off of 2.20 today

It broke through that price today. $2.17 earlier today.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:09 pm to
Yes, investors should keep a close watch on it since it did dip below that level. However, the candle body is what matters. A single wick below support would not cause concern for most chartists. And support and resistance levels are ranges, not to be viewed as to the penny. Today's action is still considered to be testing the MA(20) and/or 2.20 IMO.

You are right though, a close below that level would not be good. It is looking like it will hold up though. And it really should close above the MA(20) as well, currently at 2.24, though support at 2.20 is the main level that needs to hold.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 2/25/10 at 5:40 pm to
following pretty close there huh ?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/26/10 at 2:13 pm to
I inherited the schadenfreude gene from my mother's side....
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