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re: Dividend stocks and DRIPs as a long term investment vehicle

Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:06 am to
Posted by ThaBigFella
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:06 am to
I get that it was a lot my dad told me he came to the us in 1971 and made $1.60. Im almost 35, im not a kid haha.All I'm trying to say is people can make millions over time. A 44 year career is a long time to allow money to grow, i dont even wanna imagine fees of 44 year etf ownership.I had a friend in college who grandma died in Iowa with like $13m in coke stock.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:07 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:08 am to
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But you could probably afford much more than $200/month nowdays so it might work out?


Yeah, but money invested today means nothing - money invested 28 years ago means everything. That's the problem with the youth - they can't save anything reasonable, so they spend every penny. Putting away just $10 a week in your 20s has 40+ years to compound - by the time you're 45, there isn't enough time to make up ground.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:17 am
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:09 am to
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I just laid out a 33 year DRIP return of 10 major US companies and not 1 returned less than 24x your money in a DRIP.


No you didn't. Several of your holdings fell shy of that.

And several of the holdings didn't even get a third of what you would have gotten in a even a highly conservative non dividend large cap fund over the same time frame.

When it averages out to be (imagine that) about the same.

Hey, if you have zero risk tolerance and no stomach for fluctuation, that's you.

But don't walk around as if you "stumbled" on this magical low risk high return strategy that's really the only smart way to go.

This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:11 am
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:12 am to
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And several of the holdings didn't even get a third of what you would have gotten in a even a highly conservative non dividend large cap fund over the same time frame.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:12 am to
That's why every kid should open and put money in a Roth ASAP.

I think I'm going to move a couple hundred from my saving account to there now because of this thread.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:12 am to
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i dont even wanna imagine fees of 44 year etf ownership.I had a friend in college who grandma died in Iowa with like $13m in coke stock.


Your aggressive approach to keeping costs down is tried and true. That concern is what is driving people to Vanguard mutual funds. There is nothing wrong with keeping costs down as a part of a strategy.
Posted by ThaBigFella
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:13 am to
You must be in asset management and worried about losing fees involved with telling people to buy dividend paying blue chips.....seems like 60%+ of most etf listed in this thread are the same stocks you could buy on your own and mitigate risk while collecting a higher dividend that's all I ever said
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:14 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:14 am to
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That's why every kid should open and put money in a Roth ASAP.


I agree. I stress that with my kids - alas, to no avail. The boy turns 24 in October - we'll have "the talk" again. Hopefully, he listens.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:18 am to
Quick hijack/question on roth's y'all might know:

Say since April I have made 2k. I will make another 3k by next April. Can I technically put 5k into a roth now so long as I make it by april?
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:20 am to
Holy frick why do you jump at the ad homimem everytime of "you must be in asset managenent" to everyone who disagrees with you.

And for the record, I'm not.

I am a QA chemist. The only assets I manage is to make sure the chemical composition of our products fall under our specs

Got something else?
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:21 am
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:22 am to
In 2013 you can add 5500 at any time from now to April 14 2014
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:22 am to
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Say since April I have made 2k. I will make another 3k by next April. Can I technically put 5k into a roth now so long as I make it by april?


I think that's right, but you have to specifically designate the contributions between January 1 and April 15 as towards the previous year's limit.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:26 am to
I've got 5k+ ready to go. been sitting in savings and I want to do something with it
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:26 am to
Yes. You can max it out anytime you want. You can put up to $5,500 by the deadline of 4/15/14.
Posted by ThaBigFella
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:26 am to
Bc only someone in asset management wouldn't advocate doing it on your own and learning how your money is invested. Throughout life were taught to do things on our own but once we have lots of money we have to pay someone to help us manage it? I am an independent guy and I believe everyone should understand what they're getting into or not be invested in stocks, there's plenty of other stuff to invest in
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:41 am to
Ooooo

Ooooo

I can play this game too!

Let me try:


You must be a broker to advocate a strategy that would generate lots of commissions as a consequence of having to buy so many different stocks.

My most expensive fund comes out to be 963 dollars over 10 years per 10k invested.

And that fund makes far more than the .41% I lose compare to my dividend stock holdings

I think I can take that hit....

Up 40% in the past year
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:44 am to
one of the Windsor vanguards?
Posted by ThaBigFella
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:50 am to
Volvagia you're young,you clearly know it all, you're not seeing the big picture bc you truly don't have the assets to where it would even matter.I'd assume your total portfolio is well under $50k at this point Let me put it another way, your relative works his whole life, he dies, he leaves you XLP ETF worth $2M you first off won't be taxed on the gains so you can liquidate at that point.

You have 2 choices, observe XLP and its top 10 holding which make up 60% of the fund and decide to buy those on your own OR you continue holding and paying $3,600/year and rising as your base grows

over 10 years you pay $36,000 at least, yes a miniscule .18% of that $2M to be informed on how to buy consumer staples you could have bought on your own, there's a list of the ETF's holdings!

you are truly missing the point im trying to make, that ETF's are nice, but if you can do your own research, even 30 minutes a day is 3.5/hrs a week of research you will be ahead of the game and you can save alot of money in the long run

ETF's were created to make money off the ignorance of the many, sorry, that's just the truth. The take your regular joe who knows nothing about the markets, can't read a balance sheet, and understands nothing about dividend history,payout ratios and growth and wow them with all kinds of statistics and returns, etc all while collecting that tiny fee over and over on billions of dollars

I choose to do it on my own, i wont share my insights anymore then.Being able to stand on your own is a basic premise of life at all levels, if you can't stand on your own with your investments you need to think twice about diving in.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:51 am
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:52 am to
VHCAX

Mid cap growth with a directive to look only long term and ignore short term noise.

Another big "growth" holding of mine is VSEQX

It uses a computer analysis based approach to trawl the entire mid and small caps market for buys, and then passes the recommendations to a manager to make the final calls on what to pull the trigger on.

Not as lucrative gains, but less volatile.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17107 posts
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:52 am to
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i wont share my insights anymore then


Noooooooooo
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