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re: Casino
Posted on 7/10/09 at 6:52 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Posted on 7/10/09 at 6:52 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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I think you missed the point.
Nah, I get it...from my experience, stupid people screw up the table...that's all...
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Posted on 7/10/09 at 6:52 pm to Poodlebrain
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If the casino offers free odds, then the house advantage on a Don't Pass bet with maximum odds bet can be as low as 0.01%. Those are the best bets you can make in a casino without being a card counter playing blackjack. However, betting against the shooters will not make you popular at the craps table, and it isn't much fun. Making Pass bets with maximum odds gives the house about a 0.18% advantage at 10X maximum odds bet, and a 0.02% advantage at a 100X maximum odds bet.
The problem is that it is expensive to take advantage of the best bets in the casino. If the minimum Pass bet is $5, then you have to be able to bet $105 in order to get the best bet on a 100X table. And you will generally run out of money well before the casino will.
What?
Posted on 7/10/09 at 7:04 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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Jersey:
What is your craps strategy? There's just so many schools of thought.
Rosen, this is what I was referring to:
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If the casino offers free odds, then the house advantage on a Don't Pass bet with maximum odds bet can be as low as 0.01%. Those are the best bets you can make in a casino without being a card counter playing blackjack. However, betting against the shooters will not make you popular at the craps table, and it isn't much fun. Making Pass bets with maximum odds gives the house about a 0.18% advantage at 10X maximum odds bet, and a 0.02% advantage at a 100X maximum odds bet. The problem is that it is expensive to take advantage of the best bets in the casino. If the minimum Pass bet is $5, then you have to be able to bet $105 in order to get the best bet on a 100X table. And you will generally run out of money well before the casino will.
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Only if all other players at the table play perfect as well. And that isn't going to happen.
I disagree. I would contend that the play of other people is literally irrelevant.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 7:06 pm to Tiger JJ
Returning to Paigow Poker, if you like the action of getting dealt hands and just seeing a lot of cards, this is the best game, IMO. With $300, if you bet $25/hand, you would most likely be able to play an entire night without losing it (of course you won't make much either.)
Basically, you play 2 hands. To win, you have to beat the dealer on both hands. To lose, you have to lose both. Pushes are pushes and are by far the most likely outcome. You pay a 5% commission on wins.
Basically, you play 2 hands. To win, you have to beat the dealer on both hands. To lose, you have to lose both. Pushes are pushes and are by far the most likely outcome. You pay a 5% commission on wins.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 7:41 pm to Tiger JJ
I usually bet the pass line with 2-3 come bets active with odds. If the dice aren't rolling your way, you have to be willing to get the hell out, or just do like I do and drink all you can and have fun.
I have played Don't Pass before and done ok, but you have to be willing to pick your winnings up and go after a decent streak (and since I'm not typically able to do that, I just drink all I can and have fun)
I have played Don't Pass before and done ok, but you have to be willing to pick your winnings up and go after a decent streak (and since I'm not typically able to do that, I just drink all I can and have fun)
Posted on 7/10/09 at 9:15 pm to PacoDeTaco
3 card poker is the most rewarding.... play the $5 table and play the ante and pair plus.... with $300, you should be able to hit a 3 of a kind or staight flush or two and play for a long time ...i find I leave with money more often than not when i play 3 card
Posted on 7/11/09 at 12:49 am to Golfer
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If everyone at the table plays by the book, the odds hover around 1%, when they don't it can fluctuate as far up as 7%
You guys are forgetting to calculate the rules, which can vary an edge by a lot. If it's that shite arse 6/5 single deck with NRS, s17 at the Hardrock then it's not 1% even with playing perfect BS.
If its the Island View's DD game, which is currently 3/2, 2/1 ins, DAS, DOA, RSA and h17, then yeah, you might be able to get it down to 1%.
Beau and Hardrock DD games have decent rules, but they're higher limits on the weekend.
This post was edited on 7/11/09 at 12:52 am
Posted on 7/11/09 at 12:50 am to Zilla
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i find I leave with money more often than not when i play 3 card
Posted on 7/11/09 at 7:39 pm to Tiger JJ
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ive probably played 10 times, left up 6 times.... i swear !
Posted on 7/11/09 at 7:41 pm to Zilla
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3 card poker is the most rewarding
is this basically "gut", or "mexican gut" as some call it
Posted on 7/12/09 at 11:49 pm to Golfer
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In a 6 deck shoe, there are:
- 96 10's or face cards
- 24 of every other card
I'm going to go with the odds that a 10 is coming
24 of every other card, and that is 9 other cards.
So, 96 10s or 216 non 10's.
Unless my math is wrong, lol.
Posted on 7/12/09 at 11:50 pm to Tiger JJ
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I disagree. I would contend that the play of other people is literally irrelevant
I agree here, and I really don't see see how the other players will adversely affect you more than they would "accidentally" help you.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 12:21 am to shel311
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24 of every other card, and that is 9 other cards.
So, 96 10s or 216 non 10's.
Unless my math is wrong, lol.
It's not that it's more than likely a 10, it's more likely a 10 than any other specific number. That's why he left it as 24 of every other card.
P.S. I can't believe there are so many sophisticated gamblers on the money board.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 8:04 am to Tiger JJ
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Returning to Paigow Poker, if you like the action of getting dealt hands and just seeing a lot of cards, this is the best game, IMO
agreed
Posted on 7/14/09 at 4:10 pm to Tiger JJ
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I disagree. I would contend that the play of other people is literally irrelevant.
A card counter makes bets in accordance with the odds of the moment determined by the cards remaining in the deck. Imperfect play by others has no impact on that decision. However, imperfect play by others will have an impact on the results of the counter's bets. Theoretically imperfect play should work to the counter's benefit as frequently as it works to his detriment. The problem is that the benefit tends to come more frequently when the counter has small bets and the detriment when the counter makes large bets. Thus the frequency may end up neutral, but the monetary effect will be unfavorable.
When I worked for the Horseshoe we had single deck blackjack games that were easy for anyone to count cards. Our method of countering it was to limit a players maximum bet during the deck to whatever he bet on the first hand dealt. If the player can not increase his bet when the card count is favorable you prevent him from being able to capitalize on advantageous circumstances. We also had the dealers shuffle the deck more frequently in an attempt to limit the imbalances to the deck, and minimize the counters' opportunities for favorable circumstances.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:23 am to Poodlebrain
According to the book, which is flawless, I hit every 16 I get...
You don't like it, you can blame math....hitting 16 against face cards gives you the best advantage vs the house...
Case closed...
You don't like it, you can blame math....hitting 16 against face cards gives you the best advantage vs the house...
Case closed...
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:06 am to drockw1
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According to the book, which is flawless, I hit every 16 I get...
You don't like it, you can blame math....hitting 16 against face cards gives you the best advantage vs the house...
Case closed...
I'd welcome you and your book to my casino everyday of the week. Even basic strategy, which involves no card counting, tells you to stand on a hard 16 when the dealer shows a 2,3,4,5 or 6.
Posted on 7/16/09 at 7:13 pm to Poodlebrain
some good stuff, for a newbie I agree most with advice of pay for entertainment. If you want work or the challenge of winning, stay straight, focus, and figure out what you can work best. If you want a fun time make good use of the drinks and pace yourself moneywise, $100 for 2 hrs, $200 for 3 hrs, $300 for the night, or whatever your budget might be. Expect to pay X amount for however many hours of entertainment. Even if you don't come out ahead you'll feel good if you get a better entertainment value.
Posted on 7/17/09 at 9:41 am to Tiger JJ
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I would contend that the play of other people is literally irrelevant.
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