Page 1
Page 1
Started By
Message

Can someone explain the “ins and outs” of inheritance tax for me?

Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:59 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:59 am

Long story short, my wife is terrible with money and her parents’ (2 money dumb daughters) and uncle’s (no kids) wills have made me in charge of the finances upon their demise. They have plenty of years left, but it still made me relatively nervous. I will definitely use financial advisor when the time comes, but for now I am just curious what part the government will take.

I’ll use hypothetical round numbers.

Say we get $100,000 from her uncle. How much would the government take? Is there any way to shelter that money from taxes? Reinvest maybe?

Say we get her parents’ house that is worth $400,000 and paid off. What would we owe? Just property taxes? Could I sell the house with just standard taxes or would inheritance tax come into play there as well?
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
1601 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:18 am to
1. Talk to a estate/succession attorney when they die.
2. The federal estate tax limit is 5.45 million for 2016. As long as the value of their estate is not over that limit, there is no federal estate tax.
3. If in Louisiana, Louisiana does not have an state inheritance tax. If in another state, see No.1.

Edit to add: Also, your wife will get a stepped up basis on the house. For instance, if the parent's bought the house 10 years ago for $300,000, and it is $400,000 when they die, her basis on the property will be $400,000, so then if you sell for $420,000, you will only pay taxes on $20,000 (not $120,000).
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 9:24 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:18 am to
Estate taxes (paid by the estate to the fed gov't) are different from inheritance taxes (paid by the inheritor to the state, not feds). Not all states have an inheritance tax. Where you live matters.

Regarding an inherited house, that's slightly more complicated. Will you hold onto the house and live in it for at least two years? If so, proceeds from the sale may be tax free (subject to limits). On the other hand, if you sell it without living in it, you may owe capital gains on the profit (or take a loss), with the basis being the fair market value on the day the person leaving it to you died.

Also very good to remember: in LA, a community property state, an inheritance is separate property. Which means you have no legal right to your wife's inherited funds.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37109 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:19 am to
On a federal level, the estate tax is assessed on the estate (i.e. before assets get to the heirs). You can leave after you die / gift while alive over 5 million per person, plus an unlimited amount to your spouse (plus an unlimited amount of smaller gifts over your life). Odds are unless your wife's family is loaded, this will not be an issue.

A few states have their own estate tax or an inheritance tax (a tax on the assets in the hands of the heirs). Most southern states have neither, Louisiana nor Texas does.

When someone dies, their basis in their ownership of the assets "steps" to the FMV of the asset at the time of death. Any income from the asset (such as dividends) is taxable just like regular income.

In the case of the house, when you get the house at death, your basis is 400K. If you sold it, you would pay capital gains tax on the gain using 400K as a basis. (assuming you didn't personally live in it after getting it before you sold it)
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:22 am to
In Tennessee and her parents/uncle live in Mississippi.

They named me in their will as being the controlling entity of their money and estate. Does that not give me the rights to do this stuff?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:24 am to
This helped, thanks.

Since I live in TN and they live in MS, which state inheritance laws would we follow? I'd assume MS.

Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
1601 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:27 am to
MS- where the deceased resided
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42488 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:03 am to
What's a ballpark figure on total $ involved? If over the basic exclusion amount (what the poster above stated -- 5.45 million) and the deceased spousal unused exclusion (when that comes into play), you might want to take advantage of yearly untaxed gifts. For instance, your in laws could make a # of 14k per year untaxed gifts to various family members.

Above isn't legal advice. And you also have to find out what your in laws want to do with the $. I would also bring your in laws to an estate/tax attorney if the $ is significant.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 10:05 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:19 am to
quote:

They named me in their will as being the controlling entity of their money and estate. Does that not give me the rights to do this stuff?

It depends on exactly what the will says...simply naming you as executor doesn't give you ownership rights over it all. You would simply be the person tasked with seeing that the assets are disbursed in accordance with the terms of the will. You can be paid a fee out of the estate for doing what needs to be done (ex: arranging for appraisals, the sale of substantial tangible property or other things specified in the will).

"Controlling entity" does not necessarily mean what you think. If the will specifies that Daughter X gets 50% and Daughter Y gets the other half, then you may be paid a fee as executor for arranging the sale of the house, etc. but the proceeds of the house sale still belong to Daughters X and Y.

You need to have a clear & civil conversation with them to ensure you understand their wishes/intent. If they have indeed left it all to you, be prepared to deal with the potentially unhappy disinherited siblings, and with your wife. Nothing sets people off like grief & money.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:39 am to
quote:

What's a ballpark figure on total $ involved?


Its less than 5.45 million. Its not even half that.

And her sister/husband get half as well.


Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:42 am to
quote:

It depends on exactly what the will says...simply naming you as executor doesn't give you ownership rights over it all. You would simply be the person tasked with seeing that the assets are disbursed in accordance with the terms of the will. You can be paid a fee out of the estate for doing what needs to be done (ex: arranging for appraisals, the sale of substantial tangible property or other things specified in the will).

"Controlling entity" does not necessarily mean what you think. If the will specifies that Daughter X gets 50% and Daughter Y gets the other half, then you may be paid a fee as executor for arranging the sale of the house, etc. but the proceeds of the house sale still belong to Daughters X and Y.

You need to have a clear & civil conversation with them to ensure you understand their wishes/intent. If they have indeed left it all to you, be prepared to deal with the potentially unhappy disinherited siblings, and with your wife. Nothing sets people off like grief & money.


Yeah, I'm just executor I believe. The money and house is being left 50/50 to the daughters.

However, I am the person that makes the decision to sell the house or not (or wait and sell after a certain period). I'll need to get an attorney to help me make that decision when the time comes. If I indeed sell it, then the profits go 50/50 to the daughters.

I won't be charging a fee though

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45814 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Its less than 5.45 million. Its not even half that.

And her sister/husband get half as well.


It isn't what each person gets, it is the total estate...
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:58 am to
quote:


It isn't what each person gets, it is the total estate...


Ok, good to know.

Still, in total, its less than half of 5.45 million.

Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Yeah, I'm just executor I believe. The money and house is being left 50/50 to the daughters.

However, I am the person that makes the decision to sell the house or not (or wait and sell after a certain period). I'll need to get an attorney to help me make that decision when the time comes. If I indeed sell it, then the profits go 50/50 to the daughters.

Not in Louisiana--as I understand it, the executor cannot decide to sell the house if all of the heirs (who are the legal owners) do not want it sold. You need the court's approval to undertake such an action, and if the heirs agree, the court probably won't force a sale unless there is some gigantic and compelling reason to do so.

Please talk to an attorney in the relevant state regarding your responsiblities. You'll be the guy on the hook for maintenance/upkeep, insurance, etc of the house before it sells. So don't be so quick to say you won't take a fee, as you have no idea how many hours you may spend on these duties. It can be quite substantial.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 9:38 pm to
Sorry to hijack

What's the federal % taxed after the 5.45? Say it's 6mil worth of land and homes. Taxes would have to be paid on the remaining 550k?

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42488 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:35 pm to
Would depend if the person is married and whether their spouse used up their exclusion amount. You can xfer unused spousal exclusion amounts from one spouse to the other.

LINK

quote:

For example, suppose the first-to-die spouse leaves $3,250,000 of assets passing through his estate to children. Further, suppose that the survivor has $7,000,000 of assets of her own. By filing a federal estate tax return for the first-to-die spouse, the “unused” $2,000,000 of federal estate tax exclusion (DSUE) amount can be “claimed” and used by the surviving spouse to shelter otherwise taxable gifts or inheritances flowing from the survivor. Thus, in this example, after the DSUE is “claimed” by the surviving spouse, she would have an effective federal estate and gift tax exclusion amount of $7,250,000 (his/her “own” $5,250,000 exemption, plus the DSUE of $2,000,000 from the first-to-die spouse).
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80160 posts
Posted on 12/11/15 at 6:12 am to
quote:

Say we get her parents’ house that is worth $400,000 and paid off. What would we owe? Just property taxes? Could I sell the house with just standard taxes or would inheritance tax come into play there as well?



Others have given more in depth answers, but the only thing you should owe is state taxes. As long as you are below the $5m mark, the feds don't care.

Yes, you can sell the house or any other assets (stocks) without paying the short term gains penalty of you only owning the assets for a short period of time. When you file your taxes, your CPA should put down that it was an inheritance as the acquisition date and there shouldn't be any penalty.

first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram