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Buy/Rent analysis - I want to pick the Money Board's collective wisdom
Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:50 am
Posted on 3/31/17 at 6:50 am
I'm relocating. Job pays seller's closing cost for my current house, also gives me a guaranteed FMV appraisal offer. House is a money pit, so whatever it comes in at, I'll probably take it and run.
So - I can either buy or rent at the new location - rentals seem to be $1500 to $1700 where I'm landing. Employer also pays buyer's closing costs where I'm landing.
My budget would be $250k to $315k to buy. I will have the opportunity to transfer back in approximately 18 to 24 months, and I will almost certainly do that.
I'm thinking 5/1 ARM will save me $4k to $6k over renting - maybe a little more - and buying will give me a little bit of opportunity to make money if I buy smart. Now, such a short window I'm only really interested in not losing money on the sale.
The only downside to buying is that, I would have to get my equity back out to buy back home, while renting leaves me free to find, and close once I'm at transfer eligibility.
What says the Money Board?
So - I can either buy or rent at the new location - rentals seem to be $1500 to $1700 where I'm landing. Employer also pays buyer's closing costs where I'm landing.
My budget would be $250k to $315k to buy. I will have the opportunity to transfer back in approximately 18 to 24 months, and I will almost certainly do that.
I'm thinking 5/1 ARM will save me $4k to $6k over renting - maybe a little more - and buying will give me a little bit of opportunity to make money if I buy smart. Now, such a short window I'm only really interested in not losing money on the sale.
The only downside to buying is that, I would have to get my equity back out to buy back home, while renting leaves me free to find, and close once I'm at transfer eligibility.
What says the Money Board?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 7:10 am to Ace Midnight
Rent is the only guaranteed scenario you've described. I'd rent if you will move back within such a short timeframe.
That said, what's the housing market like in your new location?
That said, what's the housing market like in your new location?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 7:18 am to iknowmorethanyou
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That said, what's the housing market like in your new location?
Seems to be cooling slightly. That's another concern. I may shoot towards the lower part of my range to just cut risk.
I think I'll know more when I get the FMV on my current house. If my equity is going to be closer to $80k then $60k, I may not worry as much. And if I buy at the lower end of my range, keeping it as an income property might be a viable alternative, at least in the intermediate term - I would have to do something about the ARM if I keep it.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 7:54 am to Ace Midnight
I can't think of a single honest scenario that would make me want to buy here.
You will likely be trying to sell a home where you don't live after transferring back unless it is priced to sell quickly which puts ant potential profit out the window and may be throwing closing cost in as seller as well.
Not worth the aggravation or risk. JMHO
You will likely be trying to sell a home where you don't live after transferring back unless it is priced to sell quickly which puts ant potential profit out the window and may be throwing closing cost in as seller as well.
Not worth the aggravation or risk. JMHO
Posted on 3/31/17 at 8:31 am to Ace Midnight
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I will have the opportunity to transfer back in approximately 18 to 24 months, and I will almost certainly do that.
Rent.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:31 am to elposter
I appreciate the straightforward responses. My first instinct is to rent - I convinced myself buying was viable - if the market was a little hotter, maybe that would be true. I think a cool flat market, more or less a clear path home (nothing is certain in life) - looks more risky.
My wargaming is this - the better I do on the sale, the less I care to buy away. Even if I have to tap my equity for a little cash flow during the rental period, I will be poised, ready to strike, buy back home and move straight from the rental to Forever House - the only question will be structuring the lease to break at the end. If I do poorly on the sale here, then I will have less cushion to absorb cash flow issues at the new location, then buying becomes more attractive.
I'm not certain of a month and day, obviously, for the transfer back and I will have to make a decision and transfer pretty quickly. But, the exposure there is for a breach - limited, clean, fairly painless. I think if I'm honest with the landlord at the end of 12 months - I'd prefer to go monthly or quarterly after that with 30 days notice.
I'm open to buying arguments (obviously I've made some myself), but it's looking like rental is the $mart money move here.
My wargaming is this - the better I do on the sale, the less I care to buy away. Even if I have to tap my equity for a little cash flow during the rental period, I will be poised, ready to strike, buy back home and move straight from the rental to Forever House - the only question will be structuring the lease to break at the end. If I do poorly on the sale here, then I will have less cushion to absorb cash flow issues at the new location, then buying becomes more attractive.
I'm not certain of a month and day, obviously, for the transfer back and I will have to make a decision and transfer pretty quickly. But, the exposure there is for a breach - limited, clean, fairly painless. I think if I'm honest with the landlord at the end of 12 months - I'd prefer to go monthly or quarterly after that with 30 days notice.
I'm open to buying arguments (obviously I've made some myself), but it's looking like rental is the $mart money move here.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:35 am to Ace Midnight
1) Do you have any prior experience buying/selling houses?
2) Buying, in most cases, will be more expensive over the first 3-5 years. That $4-6k you anticipate saving will be gone if the ac goes out or you need to replace the roof...or any of the 1,000 other things that can eat into your savings with home ownership.
3) Renting is the obvious answer if it's only 24 months. Simply too short of a window in the market to build any equity, and more pragmatically, it's just a whole hell of alot easier to rent for a couple years if you know you're not going to be there long term. Once you're ready to move back, pack up, turn in the keys and you're done. Go find a nice house to rent in the area where you would buy, and enjoy it. And when something breaks, its someone else's problem.
2) Buying, in most cases, will be more expensive over the first 3-5 years. That $4-6k you anticipate saving will be gone if the ac goes out or you need to replace the roof...or any of the 1,000 other things that can eat into your savings with home ownership.
3) Renting is the obvious answer if it's only 24 months. Simply too short of a window in the market to build any equity, and more pragmatically, it's just a whole hell of alot easier to rent for a couple years if you know you're not going to be there long term. Once you're ready to move back, pack up, turn in the keys and you're done. Go find a nice house to rent in the area where you would buy, and enjoy it. And when something breaks, its someone else's problem.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:57 am to lilsnappa
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1) Do you have any prior experience buying/selling houses?
It's just getting remote. The problem is - I'm woefully ignorant of the market I'm going into. If it were local to me, I'd have a lot more confidence in what I can get out of it - even a distressed property. The relocation point? Nothing.
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2) Buying, in most cases, will be more expensive over the first 3-5 years.
I agree, but a good bit of that is the closing costs, which I'm avoiding at this end of the transaction.
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That $4-6k you anticipate saving will be gone if the ac goes out or you need to replace the roof...or any of the 1,000 other things that can eat into your savings with home ownership.
Which is what drove me to come to the Money Board - for the min/max, A/B analysis that thrives here. I thought of exactly what you said, "What if the roof fails? Or the A/C compressor goes out in 6 to 8 months?" Even renting at $1700 over an $1100 mortgage for 24 months is a delta of $14,400 - not chump change, but "okay" as an insurance policy against chaos. It makes more sense to budget at $1500 for renting, I think and that softens the blow to $9600 on the delta - I will get some temporary housing assistance, but I suspect all of that will be consumed with hotels and such prior to finding permanent residence.
(And realistically, depending on how things shake out, from the time I sign a lease until I can come back is far more likely to be 18 than 24 months, but I'm just using 24 months as kind of a "worst case" based on information I have today.)
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:30 am to Ace Midnight
Even if you can buy in the new location and rent the property after you transfer back in 2 years you would be a long distance landlord. No thanks. I can't think of any reason that would make buying worth it.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:43 pm to Ace Midnight
From a straight dollar to dollar perspective it may something worth contemplating and analyzing.
But when you layer in the potential headache and risk of buying short term, I wouldn't do it.
Ive been a long distance landlord, built a house in BR and got transfered 9 months later. Rented the house for almost 3 years until I decided to sell it. Pretty much broke even from a dollar value, but the headache has kept me from buying again until I know I'll be in the house 5 years or more.
In Charlotte now renting a really nice house that I couldnt be happier with.
But when you layer in the potential headache and risk of buying short term, I wouldn't do it.
Ive been a long distance landlord, built a house in BR and got transfered 9 months later. Rented the house for almost 3 years until I decided to sell it. Pretty much broke even from a dollar value, but the headache has kept me from buying again until I know I'll be in the house 5 years or more.
In Charlotte now renting a really nice house that I couldnt be happier with.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:29 am to Ace Midnight
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Even renting at $1700 over an $1100 mortgage for 24 months is a delta of $14,400
Even with a 5-1 ARM, your note would likely be over $1100/mo. Are you looking at a 30yr amortization? If so, you won't be building any equity in 18-24 months. I would see what a 15 or 20 year amortization payment would be and compare those deltas. This will remove the downside risk of falling underwater on the future sale (chief concern).
I'm in a similar situation with a slightly longer timeframe (5 years), and decided to buy. I'm going with a 7-1 arm, but paying on a 20 year amortization due to healthy cash flow situation. We're trying to get prepared for, as you said, "forever home".
I would think your payment would be closer to 1350-1400 on a shorter amort. schedule.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:03 am to Oenophile Brah
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Even with a 5-1 ARM, your note would likely be over $1100/mo.
Another thing I forgot to do was go past P&I on the analysis. Buying means an escrow payment. I think that's where our numbers look different. And, yeah, I was going to do a 30-year as a rent replacement, rather than trying to build equity with the payment. I don't foresee a cash flow problem, but one never knows until you test the pay raise in combat, right?
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I'm in a similar situation with a slightly longer timeframe (5 years), and decided to buy
I think 5 years, with my closing cost subsidy going in makes it an easy buy call. The short window pushes me back to where I started - renting just looks the best for being able to jump when it is time to jump.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 9:04 am
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