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Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:31 pm
I think I'm going to sell, but retain one share. I might not even retain one share. Mostly lack of dividend, and if I ever needed funds when I was 70, it's too much risk that at the time I needed to liquidate, the market could be in a downturn. I think I'm going to attempt to replicate the holdings, but this isn't as easy as one would think. I know I could buy BRK.B, but still, no dividends.

I'm throwing this up to see what I might be overlooking? Or for any suggestions as to how to best replicate the holdings, without having to proportionally buy individual shares, which is what I'm leaning towards doing.

I've already started rolling over my business retirement into an online traditional IRA account as I don't like the fund choices, and the decision as to where to place this won't be 100% mine until 2018.

I've been transitioning out of active trading and managing for about two years now. I want this down to the following, easier to manage asset classes: 1) Silver 2) my businesses Simple IRA 3) Traditional IRA to roll Simple IRA assets to 4) ROTH IRA to the extent I can contribute 5) Securities account for non tax advantaged securities & a small percentage of speculative securities 6) income producing real estate 7) alternative investments (I own pig confinement buildings and lease back to the operator as part of an accredited LLC etc) 7) eventual sale of a portion of my business.

What am I missing, and/or why shouldn't I sell BRK?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22759 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:42 pm to
You shouldn't sell it.....because it's your biggest performer and scared money is dead money.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 4:43 pm
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7128 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:44 pm to
sell all that shite and put it all into HAB (hookers and blow)

thank me later

Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4582 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:27 pm to
You can't roll a traditional IRA to a simple IRA. Only vice versa.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:54 pm to
That's what I'm doing, I just didn't explain that very well.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:28 pm to
I don't think many care, but someone might find this useful. I can convert BRK.A to BRK.B. I'm going to do this after some additional research. I'm then going to start to sell covered calls on the B shares, unless I find out something unfavorable about the conversion. I'll probably also sell 1/2 the B shares when coverted and buy something else.

I had in my mind I couldn't sell covered calls. And you can't on the A shares. I didn't realize I had a conversion privilege, and B shares had options.

This way the lack of dividend won't bother me as much.

What was also enlightening to me was a lack of options to attempt to recreate the holdings of Berkshire. One MOAT fund, but not a exact replica. I then looked at going directly to a market maker in a basket trade on Interactive Brokers. And I might still do this. One trade buying shares of each of the Berkshire companies. But hrer were a bunch of tax things that came up, and in order to get that done, I would have needed to sell the A shares, which would be a sizable tax bill, and I frankly don't want this until I have some idea wher tax policy is going to go.

Anyway, I never really talked about BRK being a large holding of mine, but it is large. Close to the largest dollar amount of any single security I own. But I never bought it. When we sold farmland, years ago, I got shares as a minor, and I've always felt funny about it being mine, because it was never really earned by me.

Some other things involved as well. I'm 50, and I don't know how I could give away these shares under some sort of gift act. So that's another reason to covert to B shares.

But I'm seeking other advice, legal, tax etc before I do anything. But I think I solved the problem that has been bothering me for quite some time, the lack of dividends.

I really want to be in a poistion where dividends and real estte residual income in addition to social security is what I live on in retirement. The sale of my business also. I ove modestly outside of taking a lot of vacation. I paid less than $80K for my condo. I've never bought a new car. I like to deep sea fish, but I dn't wnat the hassle of boat ownership. I pretty much just want to golf, fish and go to college football games.

That's a lot. I had a 22 hour dirve back from Florida, so I had some time to think. Probably too much time to think.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12576 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:00 pm to
IG, I do enjoy reading your posts and also learning about what you are thinking and so on. Have you thought about what you will do with the cash if/when those calls get called? You could play the game of just selling calls and selling puts. Yes it would take more effort than just putting it in a company and collecting dividends.

You could also look at a few of the well run MLP's and start collecting tax free dividends. I would look at EPD, that are continually raising their dividend and are a very well run company.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:10 pm to
I'd probably sell fairly deep out of the money calls. If BRK shot up in a hurry (which I don't see as likely), I'd just buy to close the calls I sold, possibly at a small loss. That loss would presumably be offset by the premium I had collected on previous sales.

I'm not as aggressive in chasing yield as thebigfella as an example.

I'm in no rush, and it has taken me about 2 years to unwind from some of my more labor intensive positions. I'm becoming more of a buy and hold guy. I'll probably never give up a small percentage of very speculative pays, but that percentage as a total of all asset classes has always been very small. But that action I doubt I can back away from. I still have fun doing that stuff. What I don't miss is havng to sit and intently listen every time Janet Yelln, or her predecessors spoke, getting bitterly angry at her, and Warren Buffet also, when the said something that made my trades go sideways.

In the BOIL thread, the last large bull call position I had, the one where I would have lost my arse, and UNG recovered one day before expiry. I never left my house for the week before. I never once made it to my office. I watched future's markets until early, early morning. I just don't want that any longer.

What I've been watching is IWV, VYM/VHDYX, SCHD and the conversion of BRK.A to BRK.B. I still make a seasonal (2nd qtr) short play on regional property / casualty insurers, based entirely on weather, and my knowledge of this industry. I still play around with options on both UNG and SLV. Sometimes USO. And I still have a long, long on oil contracts, which has so far been enormously successful. I made a play on the election. Good thing I was smart enough to see half at a gain before the "Trump" market started. I'll still do some of these types of trades. But outside of these occasional trades when the stars align, I'm pretty much through my more esoteric Interactive Broker type trades.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12576 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:51 pm to
SLV is starting to look interesting. What trade did you make on oil? futures or uso, or just playing the companies?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:33 pm to
I bought futures and options on futures. No play on USO currently. The oil trade is monthy going out quite a ways, and has already been partially closed at a nice gain. There is an ongoing oil and oil stocks thread on here somewhere that has entry and exit point I used, and am using.

SLV leap calls. I'm not very comfortable near term on any significant appreciation. That can change in a hurry.

I've watched both platinum and palladium, along with the Volkswagen now criminal drama. I didn't trade it, but it was interesting for me to watch Volkswagen basically tank platinum prices. Literally the Volkswagen misbehavior, and the subsequent automaker reaction to it caused a platinum glut, and a less significant run up in palladium. It just wasn't enough of a sure thing for me, and I don't know enough about either platinum or palladium.

Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12576 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:55 am to
Let's talk more about this Silver trade... What indicators(outside of actual SLV price) do you look at? It does not follow gold as much given that the GLD is at 120 and seems to have a nice bounce off of the 110 level.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20013 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:37 am to
This is obviously a brag thread
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10230 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

Let's talk more about this Silver trade... What indicators(outside of actual SLV price) do you look at? It does not follow gold as much given that the GLD is at 120 and seems to have a nice bounce off of the 110 level.


First, my silver trades are almost always exclusively buying calls or puts. On either a future's contract, or on SLV. So I have a guaranteed maximum loss, and relatively a small capital outlay.

I look at two things, industrial demand, and make guesses about interest rate fluctuations. I watch JP Morgan Chase as well, and on my trades (which are different than my physical possession) I try to copy them as much as possible. The commitment of traders reports, and only their proprietary accounts. This is in arrears.

Those are my trades, but it also needs to be said I am a long term silver bull, and I own the physical commodity. Most of it at the $6 per oz price level. And this is based solely on industrial demand, and what I understand about science. Which is to say, science is nowhere near finding a replacement for silver's usage in industry. I also own it as a hedge.

I know very little about gold. I own maybe 15 oz of it. I don't watch the gold / silver ratio. I don't subscribe to auditing the US Gvt's gold holdings, I glance at Zero Hedge on occasion, but view this as entertainment etc. I view gold and silver 100% differently as a commodity, and why each is valued the way they are. A lot of other disagree with this. I don't think gold is bad to own, but I do believe gold is riskier (to own) than silver long term.

The SLV options trade is buried in the SLV thread in here somewhere. I don't recall if I posted about the options on the futures. But I'm in at anywhere between $13 and $20, and all the way out to 2021, which gets expensive.

My instinct right now is that silver has more downside. But that can change in a big hurry. All it takes is an airplane going into a building, or something similar. But that's on the trade isde, not really on the fundamental side, and probably more of a gold thing for gold bugs, than a silver things for a guy who wants to own it because of demand reasons.
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