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Best way to handle a miserable boss

Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28899 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:48 pm
He doesn't want to be there, admits it. I do want to be there and enjoy it. Says it's only because he can't find something that pays the same. Meanwhile he vents to subordinates how he doesn't like it and goes into meetings unprepared and gets his arse reemed. Then attempts to knit-pick us afterwards yet share his personal frustrations with us like we're best buds. I guess wait it out?
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8375 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:54 pm to
Do your job and go above and beyond. Network above or horizontally in more desirable areas. Work hard for a promotion or desirable transfer. if you can't go through them then go around them.

Depending on you organizational structure/culture this advice might not work and could even get you fired. What kind of business are you in?

Read the book, The Peter Principle. There are other books on organizational dysfunction but I like this one as a first step. It may help you with ideas.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28899 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:00 pm to
Banking. Corporate HQ, not branches. Funny thing is I get along great with my bosses boss and his boss
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8375 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:25 pm to
I hear you. I am in management. I deal regularly with peer managers who make their employees miserable. Managers who are near retirement, micro-managers who suppress stars and people who just dont give a crap.

I dont advise waiting out a bad managers. That can make you complacent and less valuable as a professional. Keep learning, keep busting arse, network and find an avenue to advance your career. Someone will see your value and you'll advance.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
8655 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:06 pm to
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I dont advise waiting out a bad managers.


The sad part I've learned is that people quit managers, not companies. I've lost good employees because I couldn't replace the manager before a couple good employees got away. It's a tough situation.
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6534 posts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:10 pm to
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Banking.


What department in Banking? Size of Bank?
Posted by abitabrewed4LSU
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2009
1078 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:04 am to
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The sad part I've learned is that people quit managers, not companies.


Generally. But not always.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:53 am to
Get a copy of his resume and anonymously send it out to all the national employment agencies and other area banks' Human Resources Departments.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28899 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:02 am to
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Get a copy of his resume and anonymously send it out to all the national employment agencies and other area banks' Human Resources Departments.

I realize I'm venting a little here, but the guy admits he's miserable and even his boss knows it. But for whatever reasons they keep the status quo. Some good info here though, network and ensure I'm getting the credit and face time with his supervisor.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:40 am to
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Rhino5
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Best way to handle a miserable boss
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He doesn't want to be there, admits it. I do want to be there and enjoy it. Says it's only because he can't find something that pays the same. Meanwhile he vents to subordinates how he doesn't like it and goes into meetings unprepared and gets his arse reemed. Then attempts to knit-pick us afterwards yet share his personal frustrations with us like we're best buds. I guess wait it out?


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miserable boss


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shitty boss


FIFY

Having said that, this guy is miserable, but that isn't making him a miserable boss. It's making him a poorly-performing one.

Maybe its just a difference in nomenclature, but my idea of a miserable boss is one who seems to relish conflict, shifts blame, plays favorites, pressures you to finish the work of others based on favorites, trashes you in front of coworkers and breaks departmental or company policy in order to create a stressful, miserable situation for subordinates.

All of which a previous (I'm talking about just one) boss did to me and some former coworkers (and still current friendS).

This guy isn't professionally attacking you or denigrating you. He's just feckless and unhappy. This shouldn't-for a nanosecond-impact your ethic or drive. You should work your @ss off just as you normally do. I'm guessing you didn't need to be told that anyway.

But if this guy is just getting his @ss handed to him relentlessly, unless there's a lax or non-existent annual or quarterly review process, or the folks upstream of him aren't capable of effectively managing his work output in his position, he should either:

A.) Find a better situation soon.
B.) Be shown the door soon.

Either way if you've got an effective chain of command and internal structure where you're working, he should work himself out one way or the other over time. Sucks for you, but allow this to be a period where you prove you can work under crappy, miserable situations and still maintain a consistent, high-quality work product and keep your output consistent as well.

In other words, prove you can adapt and still thrive regardless of the situation. Let him worry about himself. You worry about you.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:46 am to
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6R12
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The sad part I've learned is that people quit managers, not companies. I've lost good employees because I couldn't replace the manager before a couple good employees got away. It's a tough situation.


All of this. I've seen it happen and experienced it personally in a professional setting. Great analogy. It's not always applicable but in my experience, a good Manager can create a reality distortion field of sorts to make even crappy organizations fun and engaging places to work.

Conversely, Bad Managers can wring the life out of the most energetic, highly-productive employees and units and destroy not only individual morale but a culture built on long-standing relationships or common goals.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11433 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:31 am to
My only suggestion would be this: It is your life, you only go around once, do what is in your best interest. Been there and learned to keep my interactions to a minimum and would not sit for poor me discussions, would excuse myself as I had better things to do, one being not being made available for one's toxicity.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
8655 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:37 pm to
I agree with you GFunk
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2643 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:39 pm to
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Maybe its just a difference in nomenclature, but my idea of a miserable boss is one who seems to relish conflict, shifts blame, plays favorites, pressures you to finish the work of others based on favorites, trashes you in front of coworkers and breaks departmental or company policy in order to create a stressful, miserable situation for subordinates. 


This describes an indirect superior of mine incredibly well. I'm glad I found this thread as I experienced the miserable side of them today. Those people also know how to make you feel shitty about yourself rather easily.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/21/16 at 11:53 pm to
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Oizers

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This describes an indirect superior of mine incredibly well. I'm glad I found this thread as I experienced the miserable side of them today. Those people also know how to make you feel shitty about yourself rather easily.


I had a hard time separating work feedback from a personal value judgement. I want everyone to be involved, contributing and happy with me. The buzzsaw I ran into taught me that no matter how hard I tried, some people would find contentment in being an a-hole as a default setting. Also figured out shortly the negative feedback was all agenda-driven.

Learning by example is helpful. Even when it's learning what to do by watching what not to do.
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