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Been following a vacant lot near me and I'm a little skeptical about the price drops

Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162235 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:14 pm
Most of the small residential lost in my area are 80K plus. If you want anything where you could even think about putting a pool you would be looking at 140K+

I'm looking to build again so I've been keeping an eye on lots and the price movements. This is the listing history according to zillow:

9/8/23 - Initially listed at 82K
9/27/23 - Price drops 3K to 79K
11/22/23 - Price drops another 3K to 76K
12/7/23 - Price drops 9K to 67K

It's not common for residential lots to drop often if at all. I can't help but think there must be some red flag about this lot that is turning people off. It's a corner lot in a new portion of an existing neighborhood.

In your experience what sort of questions should I be asking before I pursue this?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37717 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:23 pm to
just ask the listing agent. they will prob be honest
Posted by tigerclaw10
My house
Member since Jun 2010
4224 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:25 pm to
Someone dropped a house in my area to 225k and I thought the same. Someone bought it and sold it for 310k 2 months later. Someone people get hard up for money.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162235 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:34 pm to
All I can think is maybe a small developer bit off more than they can chew

I'll call the listing agent tomorrow. There is another lot that's right down the street that has identical pricing and price movement other than the last 9K drop. Even on the same dates
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30839 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:48 pm to
If it's in a neighborhood, a contractor probably bought a bunch of lots and this could be the last one.
Posted by RadRob
Acadiana
Member since Oct 2021
77 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:00 pm to
You didn't give much information but I'd start here.

Call the realtor to get the story then call a different realtor to get that story. Meet the realtor/s at the property and stay there a while, try to go around 5-6 so people can see you there. Go back the next day same time you were there and saw people then talk to them about the lot.
And/or. Just go investigate, hit the courthouse and look thru the details/look for easements/liens/ past liens. Check the obvious like floodzone, insurance rates in the area, cost to get utilities to the home, crime, property tax, and especially make sure it wasn't an old dump or other things that could be a problem.

That last lot might be the dump for the contractor when he built all of his houses. Talk to the old homeowners, they might know.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
1964 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:09 pm to
Check the last sale, should be public record. Maybe just willing to take a smaller profit to get rid of it.
Posted by Drop4Loss
Birds Eye Of Deaf Valley
Member since Oct 2007
3876 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:28 pm to
Get a printout of the past years lot sales
Are they going up/down ?
What have other corner lots sold for ?
Some corner lots buildable areas get eatin up by having front and side street servitudes
Most corner lots have the garage on the side/rear . Do the restictions only allow for a front garage, which would be stupid ?

Maybe some weird servitudes?
is the side street a main entrance street, traffic ?
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 9:31 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10455 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:41 pm to
Seller would be stupid to drop price unless desperate.

Prices we see today are going to be low compare to what we will see in 5 years
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162235 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

Seller would be stupid to drop price unless desperate.


That's what I'm thinking. And the fact that no one has made a move on it is a little concerning. At the end of the day 15K isn't much in the scheme of things but it's still enough to raise some eyebrows. Particularly how quickly they've tanked the listing price.
Posted by southside
SW of Monroe
Member since Aug 2018
586 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:23 am to
quote:

In your experience what sort of questions should I be asking before I pursue this?




Basic things like underground ROW/utilities/pipelines that may limit development, surface rights, title search, etc. After that I wouldn't be overly worried about it. Likely someone who bought it years ago expecting to develop and never did. So now they're just trying to get off of it. $15k reduction in 3 months isn't that outlandish in this market, properties are getting stale and sellers are getting worried it may get worse.

Even at $67k I would go in much lower, knowing that they are showing desperate/flexible pricing.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20493 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:00 am to
Look up the owner OP and what they paid. As said if it’s a developer or contractor they simply may be looking to reduce their liability and portfolio to concentrate their assets elsewhere.

You are most likely over thinking it imo. I don’t think it’s as much a sellers market universally as some like to think.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5330 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:51 am to
This is a little out of what you're asking about so not much relevance. There is a golf course in Weatherford Tx (Canyon West). The houses out there are what I would call mid-high end homes. I'd say homes are in the $800k+ range. There are two houses on the 4th hole that got to the end of the framing stage, then they just sat for the last several years. They have the OSB on the roof but no shingles. Tyvek siding on the outside but no masonry done. Wood is absolutely toast at this point. I got paired up with a guy that lived on the course, and he said that they didn't pour any piers for the house and the soil out there called for it. Apparently the builder ran out of money. At this point, anyone buying the lot, is going to have to absolutely tear everything down and start from 0. Builders do run out of money, and especially given the instability over the last few years of building materials, could be anything.

I'd be mostly concerned about if there is any nuisances on neighboring lots, building restrictions for the lot, and like someone else said, is there anything under the ground that's going to prevent you from doing what you want to do. Is the lot an awkward size or similar sized to the neighbors?
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5330 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:54 am to
quote:

Prices we see today are going to be low compare to what we will see in 5 years



It's pretty disturbing to go back 10-15 years ago and look at what lots and houses in general were worth compared to today. I had an opportunity to buy a 10 acre property for $120k and thought it was about $20k too much. The 5 acre property on my street sold for $200k 2 months ago.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14227 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:24 am to
We have a lot in our neighborhood that is one of the last at that same price level and has been unsold for probably 15 years. It’s a pretty severe slope and original developer dug a footprint for a basement house but never moved forward. Our best guess is that it could be unbuildable due to the prior excavation and left to right slope…or at a minimum it would be a weird house.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3148 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:36 pm to
Make an offer contingent on feasibility study.

Check with the county/parish to make sure it’s a permittable lot of record.

Wetland delineation study if there are wetlands in the area.

Geotechnical survey if soil conditions are sketchy in the surrounding area.

Verify setbacks to make sure there are no easements or other issues.

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71232 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:51 pm to
Any property on the market means someone wants to get rid of it.

You should go with due diligence anyway, but price drops aren't that much of a red flag. If you're not getting offers you might be asking too much. Price changes cause a property to reappear on the daily report.

If you have a buyer's agent they can tell you if the property has been under contract and went back on the market, or if it's stayed on the market the whole time (which means no full price offers).
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7582 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:14 pm to
Construction costs are out of whack in relation to the value of surrounding housing would be my guess.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15479 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:40 am to
What’s the address? I’ll evaluate it for you from the information I can gather.

I handle most of the land sales in our brokerage because most agents hate dealing with vacant land.
Posted by Boomer Rick
Member since Apr 2021
141 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:25 pm to
If you haven’t already get a copy of the plat, maybe location of easements and/or building lot line restrictions are hurting value.
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