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Anyone done a backdoor IRA?

Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:24 pm
We contributed in excess to the Roth IRA. I was made aware of a way to keep the excess in the Roth IRA by converting it to a traditional IRA and then back to Roth IRA? Confusing for a finance novice like myself...
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:54 pm to
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We contributed in excess to the Roth IRA. I was made aware of a way to keep the excess in the Roth IRA by converting it to a traditional IRA and then back to Roth IRA? Confusing for a finance novice like myself...


Usually a backdoor roth IRA means that you make too much income to make a normal roth IRA contribution, so instead you make a traditional IRA contribution (no income limits there), then convert it to a Roth. The situation is sounds like you are referring to is that you contributed more than the $5,500 per year. I don't think there is any way to legally exceed those contribution limits.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:59 pm to
Sorry, I should clarify. Our combined income allows us to contribute less than $5500 and we already contributed the full $5500. The excess amount would be backdoor'd and the total amount would still be $5500.
Posted by Wade Phillips
Member since Dec 2008
572 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Usually a backdoor roth IRA means that you make too much income to make a normal roth IRA contribution, so instead you make a traditional IRA contribution (no income limits there), then convert it to a Roth.


I'm wondering about this process as you've described, if you would be so kind as to elaborate on necessary steps or advice. Thanks.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:26 pm to
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Anyone done a backdoor IRA?
Is this the Money Talk Board's version of the O-T's "PIIHB"??
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:09 pm to
It's PIIIRSB

Put it in IRS butt
Posted by LSUKTR
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
1489 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:48 pm to
I would keep it simple and make a $5500 contribution to a traditional IRA, convert to Roth, fill out Form 8606 next tax season.

Careful if you have a non-zero balance in a traditional account from previous years.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36372 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:30 pm to
Consult a tax professional.
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:06 pm to
You need to perform a recharacterization to move the money back to a traditional IRA as a non-deductible contribution. Then you can convert it to a Roth IRA. I did this a few years ago when I screwed up accidentally.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:40 pm to
What do you do with the earnings you earned on the excess contribution? I made like $200 off the excess. Where does it reside?

ETA: I would suppose since the excess is coming right back into the Roth IRA via the backdoor, then the earnings just stay in the Roth IRA as if nothing happened?
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:13 pm
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:59 am to
That's a good question... I caught my mistake quickly and the contribution was into a cash settlement fund so I didn't have any capital gains. My thought is that if you recharacterize it, the gains will also be recharacterized back to the traditional. Then when you do the conversion you would unfortunately owe tax on the gains only.
Posted by Htown Tiger
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
2312 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 6:32 am to
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Careful if you have a non-zero balance in a traditional account from previous years.


Don't overlook this advice. If you already have a traditional IRA, with a balance, there will be other tax consequences.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:03 am to
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I'm wondering about this process as you've described, if you would be so kind as to elaborate on necessary steps or advice. Thanks.


There are multiple threads on here in the past about backdoor roth IRA's. The key is that you need to have a traditional IRA that has zero taxable gains in it. If you have a traditional IRA with taxable gains in it then it gets a lot more complicated. I put a link below to a decent article on the subject. On my scottrade accounts, I fill out what's known as a direct conversion request form to accomplish the transaction.

LINK
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