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re: WVU reaches out to assaulted family, offers assistance
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:06 pm to Elleshoe
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:06 pm to Elleshoe
quote:Should have read your initial post more thoroughly, my apologies. My "clueless" comment was also uncalled for.
right. that's what I initially said. The guy would have to prove that WVU was somehow negligent in not providing enough security/police which is a tough battle to win for the most part.
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:07 pm to Honkus
quote:
Classy move by the university.
Hope they find the scumbags responsible for this tho
Amen to that!
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:08 pm to TigerTailsSoup
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WVU sold tickets to their event and are responsible for reasonable security measures at the event.
sure are. The incident didn't happen in the stadium though. Entities aren't expected to police entire cities basically to watch that a random person doesn't commit an intentional tort on another random person though. Like I said in every post so far including the initial one, the LSU fan will have to show that WVU was in some way negligent in its policing and security and I'm not sure he'll be able to prove it. Its not reasonable for there to be a cop present in every place where a person may park on a college campus.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:09 pm to The Mick
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Should have read your initial post more thoroughly, my apologies. My "clueless" comment was also uncalled for
its all good. I did an entire semester's worth of research on vicarious liability/attaching liability to other parties and its fricking tough to find.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:14 pm to Elleshoe
There was a WVU poster on here earlier saying the purple (visitors) lot has little to no police presence. Seems like they would provide that area extra security, especially after a game like this where violence is highly likely. Seems like a good case for negligence, but I'm no lawyer.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:14 pm to Elleshoe
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sure are. The incident didn't happen in the stadium though
Purple lot is on WVU property and sponsored by WVU. They are liable.
WVU Parking Map
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:27 pm to dgnx6
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You fans were saying it didnt happen. Hell they still dint think it did. Some even to go as far to say it was proviked. Hey dilhole yall have some classless fans. Get over it, and yes it sucks you will be lumped in with those idiots.
To be fair when the details first came out it was 2 days after the attack and all people had to go by was a facebook posting. I'm sure LSU fans can relate in some way to having fans from other schools post sensational fictional tales, even a fair amount of LSU fans thought it was fictional at first. I think you'll find the over majority of WVU fans as angry and distraught over the attack as anyone else. Which again I must remind folks that it appears to have been not fueled by fan allegiances but random idiocy. The bitterness does nothing but drive a wedge between Tiger and Eer nation when in reality at a time like this we should come closer together in a unified effort to help.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:49 pm to TigerTailsSoup
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quote:
sure are. The incident didn't happen in the stadium though
Purple lot is on WVU property and sponsored by WVU. They are liable.
WVU Parking Map
Are you a lawyer? Because I don't want to be a dick but you are jumping to conclusions WAY too quickly. You have to prove so much to show WVU was negligence after an intentional tort was committed by someone else that they aren't necessarily vicariously liable for. Its not black and white man. A ticket to an event doesn't guarantee you police presence and security in a parking lot. If there were just routine patrols at the time that may be enough for WVU to escape liability.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:03 pm to Elleshoe
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Are you a lawyer?
Risk manager. My opinion is its a slam dunk for the plaintiffs. Considering the diverse jurisdiction of the plaintiffs from PA and the univ. from WV this would end up in federal district court which bodes very well for the plaintiffs. I think WVU would make out better finanically and publically to settle this matter in private and that is what they would probably do if a civil case was brought forth.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:05 pm to Elleshoe
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I'll ask the guy in the hospital if he accepts WVU's apology
The University doesn't actually owe anyone and apology.
edit: more than likely
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:10 pm to Elleshoe
I posted this over on the other thread regarding this issue earlier.
For anyone who didn't see it.
West Virginia University Expresses Concern
If anyone was wondering if the university is actively taking a part in the investigation.
I also posted a rather long post about my thoughts and a little insight on the area in which this took place.
For anyone who didn't see it.
West Virginia University Expresses Concern
If anyone was wondering if the university is actively taking a part in the investigation.
I also posted a rather long post about my thoughts and a little insight on the area in which this took place.
quote:
As a WVU fan and alumni let me say that I am appalled by this action. This should never happen to anyone at any point for any reason, especially not a guest of the university.
I do have some insight to the area in which this took place. I used to live near there, and I worked in the building when I was a GRA. The building's parking lot is essentially the Purple Lot.
1) This area is not a great place to put a visiting fan's parking lot. There are no police at the intersection directing traffic, this is most likely why traffic was backed up as bad as it was and also why there were no police at the scene. WVU should absolutely rethink this location for visiting fans.
2) The road that this happened on leads up to the backside of two hospitals. This is also most likely why the ambulance was there and probably gone before police could even show up. Where this took place is honestly probably 200 yards away from the two hospitals. The hospital that they were originally taken to is probably 1/2 mile away across the street. Not sure why they were not taken to Ruby Memorial (one of the hospitals up the hill) which is a great Trauma center. Ruby Memorial has two helicopter pads and is where they fly in all trauma in the area.
3) There may not have been many fans around in general. That road leads up to the hospitals and there is nothing else on that road. If they were in the back of traffic then that might be why nobody came immediately to help. Once Hannah started screaming then I am sure the got others attention. Also, people may have come pretty quickly to help. It does not take long for this kind of damage to happen if it was 3 vs 1. One or two kicks and that damage could be done. (Just disgusting that this would happen)
4) That lot is for visiting fans, there were probably more LSU fans around than WVU fans in this area. This would also be the place to go if anyone were looking for trouble. Once again, we don't even know how close other fans were and how long it took them to help. Fans did help and that is the important part, now those same fans need to step forward an help police.
I just thought I would offer some insight on the apparent location that this happened.
My heart goes out to the family and friends of all involved. Reports show that these assailants were throwing rocks at other vehicles also. As horrible as this is it might be the case that they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is NOT their fault at all for being there, but it seems like this could have happened regardless if they were WVU fans or LSU fans.
I should also note that (I am sure most of you know) a lot of people show up to tailgate at football games that are not fans at all. People who live in the area or near will show up and take part of the generosity of the tailgaters. Tailgaters give away food, beer, and a good time. People in the area know this and show up. So there is a possibility that the people responsible for this were not a fan of either WVU or LSU.
I hope they catch these people involved in this and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
If anyone knows of any collection being taken up on behalf of the injured parties then please post it here, I would love to donate and help the family.
I understand the anger of anyone here and trust me, I am angrier than anyone here. As a West Virginia native, WVU fan and alumni this report makes me sick to my stomach. Words cannot express my apologies to you all, especially the parties involved.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:17 pm to WVUMaster
Thanks WVU Master....class post from a class person!!!
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:05 pm to Purpltiger
Thank you for your kind words. I think most LSU fans realize that this does not depict our fan base as a whole, and I do know that AD Oliver Luck and President Clements will do as much as possible to help out and help by adverting this sort of tragedy in the future. They are both class act people who will do the right thing. I am proud to have these gentlemen in charge.
Let us hope that the assailants are caught and spend lots of quality time with Bubba in jail.
Let us hope that the assailants are caught and spend lots of quality time with Bubba in jail.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:09 pm to TigerTailsSoup
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Risk manager. My opinion is its a slam dunk for the plaintiffs
if the dodgers can be liable for what happened i think wvu can be as well. relatively similar situations.
regardless, nice to see the university being classy and doing the right thing.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:14 pm to dgnx6
dgnx6, spel chex is yruo fren
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:15 pm to jcole4lsu
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if the dodgers can be liable for what happened i think wvu can be as well. relatively similar situations.
regardless, nice to see the university being classy and doing the right thing.
It depends on where it happened at, if the vehicle was on the road or in the parking lot.
Regardless of where it happened I would think (and hope) that WVU officials make this right. I know it is hard for the university to help these people because that might be some admission of guilt in the matter and it could hit them later in a lawsuit BUT they definitely need to cover all expenses associated with this including any fees that family members and friends paid to travel and visit these people in the hospital. It would be a good first step for the university to take in this situation and I for one hope that they make it.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:16 pm to Elleshoe
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Are you a lawyer? Because I don't want to be a dick but you are jumping to conclusions WAY too quickly. You have to prove so much to show WVU was negligence after an intentional tort was committed by someone else that they aren't necessarily vicariously liable for. Its not black and white man. A ticket to an event doesn't guarantee you police presence and security in a parking lot. If there were just routine patrols at the time that may be enough for WVU to escape liability.
Elleshoe, are you still giving out free legal advice? Man after you graduate you are gonna have to stop that or you will never get that Mercedes.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:51 pm to Elleshoe
I think we need one more game with these fools in BR.
Cajuns tend to hold a grudge for a bit.
Cajuns tend to hold a grudge for a bit.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:52 pm to Uncommon Cents
Don't think this is WVA property unless they own the streets. When we pulled out of the purple lot he was sitting on the sidewalk covered in blood on the main road by the gas station. Nice gesture by WVA. There's a small road between the lot and the main street, could have happened there.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 5:06 pm to LSULANE
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Don't think this is WVA property unless they own the streets. When we pulled out of the purple lot he was sitting on the sidewalk covered in blood on the main road by the gas station. Nice gesture by WVA. There's a small road between the lot and the main street, could have happened there.
Thanks for the info, the gas station there is a Sheetz. Was he on the gas station side or the opposite side of the road? I am just trying to place where these people may have been throwing rocks from.
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