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re: With Miles we underachieved, with Jones we just suck
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:38 pm to TeamLSU
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:38 pm to TeamLSU
quote:the expectations were through the roof but I wouldn't call it terrible. Definitely disappointing though. We had some really nice stretches and made the semi finals of the sec tournament (yes I know how that ended )
Pelican, I totally disagree with you. LAST year was a terrible year also, with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, and you didn't even sniff a postseason and you follow up last season with total implosion this season equals "it's time to move on"
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:47 pm to schwartzy
Football we are passionate about and love. Roundball not so much, but at baseball starts in a few weeks.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Please enlighten us how the best tenure ever at a top 10-15 alltime program is underachieving. If miles underachieved then so has every single coach in lsu.
Les was 10-10 against the SEC West his last 20 games, with elite talent. If you don't think that's underachieving, then I just don't what to say.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 9:27 pm to atltiger6487
Saban lost 4,3,5,1 and 3 at LSU. He had more than 4 losses at Bama and Michigan ST as well. Few will argue Saban is not the best CFB coach currently and one of the best if not the best of all time.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:03 am to Pelican fan99
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with the talent in place he underachieved. If you can't see that then you are blind
He had the most successful tenure in lsu history.
If you knew cfb youd know there are very few coaches that can recruit likes miles and be a great game day coach. Thats what makes them the best coaches.
Stop acting like all these other coaches wouldve been able to actually pull in that talent and be a great game day coach.
And again, Nick Saban and Urban meyer are the two best coaches in cfb and they have elite talent. Even those 2 coaches lose 1 time a year. Its jot some huge underachievement for a lesser coach to lose 3-4.
Also all that talent miles had resulted in on of the best tenures IN SEC HISTORY, let alone lsu history.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 1:09 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:05 am to atltiger6487
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Les was 10-10 against the SEC West his last 20 games, with elite talent. If you don't think that's underachieving, then I just don't what to say.
Wow.
In 2014 we started the 2nd most freshmen in cfb.
2015 we had a very young team and we basically won 10 games.
I admit he underachieved the last few years but in now way can his tenure be labeled an underachievement.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I admit he underachieved the last few years but in now way can his tenure be labeled an underachievement.
I agree with Rick on this.
He wins a national championship, gets to another within 5 years of winning the first. Calling it an underachievement is not realistic at all.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:08 am to schwartzy
It's amazing how many people forget that we had such shite leadership that we turned down an NIT bid
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:10 am to Ed Osteen
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It's amazing how many people forget that we had such shite leadership that we turned down an NIT bid
I was just thinking the same thing. With the No. 1 player in the country.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:10 am to la_birdman
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He wins a national championship, gets to another within 5 years of winning the first. Calling it an underachievement is not realistic at all.
He has the same amount of top 5 finishes as Saban, Mac , and Dietzel combined.
He was justly fired for not keeping lsu at a level he set. Not Saban.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:13 am to Rickdaddy4188
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He has the same amount of top 5 finishes as Saban, Mac , and Dietzel combined.
He was justly fired for not keeping lsu at a level he set. Not Saban.
I know it. He underachieved in the past few years. Not his tenure at LSU as a whole.
So I can kind of, let me stress kind of, see waiting to fire him because of his previous accomplishments but Jones has nothing near that on his resume'.
I don't understand what Alleva is waiting on. The schedule just gets incredibly more difficult from here. Wait until they lose all the games, I guess.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:21 am to la_birdman
quote:
but Jones has nothing near that on his resume'.
IMO, last season alone could be justification for replacing him.
Even in Miles' worst years were werent close to being one of the worst teams in the sec.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:29 am to la_birdman
And the same guy that allowed that to happen is our current coach....frick YEAH!
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:53 am to schwartzy
Can't wait til the baseball season so we can talk about firing the baseball coach too.
All 3 coaches in the same year.
You're Fired. You're Fired. You're Fired.
Because at LSU we don't lose games, we compete for championships.
we dont even need to watch games when reality tv tells us what to do
All 3 coaches in the same year.
You're Fired. You're Fired. You're Fired.
Because at LSU we don't lose games, we compete for championships.
we dont even need to watch games when reality tv tells us what to do
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 1:54 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:41 am to AndrewD
quote:
we dont even need to watch games when reality tv tells us what to do
Huh?
You're missing the big point.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 3:16 am to schwartzy
I have an answer for our troubles: either myself (resume played 6th-7th grade ball but understand basic defense) or my neighbor Frank (West Virginia - final 4 appearance in 1963). Basically we stacked
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 3:19 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:11 am to shiftworker
quote:. Me too. There were glimmers of hope at times last year but only due to some good talent. His coaching is really the worst I've witnessed anywhere. That collapse in the NCAA game was incredibly frustrating and telling. It was Jones' version of Miles' 1/9/12 .
quote:
NCAA tourney collapse to NC state.
And that's when I was done with JJ. Everything that has happened since that game has confirmed what I thought about him as a coach.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 5:14 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:18 am to otowntiger
The most embarrassing game and most telling that we were in deep trouble under JJ leadership was the A&M last year in the SEC Tournament. I was sitting right behind Simmons parents that game. He inexplicably lost that team on that day. It was a nightmare to watch. We then turn down the NIT?! I knew there were severe chronic issues brewing.
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