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re: Why the Gray hate?

Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by LSUzealot
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:07 pm to
I guess we watched different games. When the ball was in Gray's hands, it almost always turned out bad.
Posted by Tiger79
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:10 pm to
Gray has a million turnovers per game dude
Posted by Pnels08
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:13 pm to
he had 4
Posted by Pnels08
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:25 pm to
He has 25 assist too 11 TOs in sec play. Not 1st team all American but not terrible either.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 4:23 pm to
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I understand he had a crucial charge and turnover late in the game

Not a Gray hater, but he and to a lesser degree, the rest of the team turn the ball over like M-Fers. This has been the pattern all year.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 4:30 pm to
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he and to a lesser degree, the rest of the team turn the ball over like M-Fers. This has been the pattern all year.


Big guys bringing the ball down low and getting stripped or tied up in the post again and again...that is very frustrating to watch.
Posted by Mie2cents
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 7:05 pm to
Gray has "potential" and you can't coach that either. He is a very gifted player athletically and he is super quick. He just needs to learn from his mistakes and tone it down a bit and he and the Tigers will be fine. The Tigers will be a force towards end of regular season. Geax Tigers!
Posted by LSUButt
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 10:04 pm to
25 assists compared to 11 turnovers, but it's almost always bad...your delusion about Martin being an all-star in the NBA, then turn around and say gray is straight awful yet their stats aren't they far apart in sec play
Posted by Trent
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:16 am to
We have a coaching issue in my opinion. Gray needs to take care of the ball a lot better, but I think they're all improving w/ each game. We just need to finish better. I think slowing it down and taking high % shots rather than launching 3's w/ 25 seconds on the shot clock is a good start.
Posted by LSUzealot
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:31 am to
Gray was awful vs Mizzou
Gray was awful vs A&M

Quit sugar coating shite.
Posted by LSUButt
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:01 pm to
Martin was awful against Mizzou
Martin was awful against Georgia
Martin was awful against A&M

ALL-STAR. But he gets a pass. TQ was 3/13 with a 3/5 ast:to ratio the last week. I'm just wondering why everything is Gray's fault every game
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:08 pm to
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He has 25 assist too 11 TOs in sec play. Not 1st team all American but not terrible either.



He was exceptional against Ole Miss going 14/10 with just 2 turnovers. He protected the ball and made everything happen for the Tigers

Outside of that game, he has 14 assists to 11 turnovers. He's 2/9 (.222) and 10/29 (.344) from the field.

We need Ole Miss Gray to make the tourney this year. If he doesn't protect the ball better, he needs to be taken out at the end of games.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:11 pm to
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I think slowing it down and taking high % shots rather than launching 3's w/ 25 seconds on the shot clock is a good start.


No, we need to keep the fast pace. That is our best basketball.

However, you're right about the higher % shots. When the defense gets back, we don't need to settle for a quick 3.
Posted by Pnels08
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:14 pm to
He was also great against uga 15/6 with 2 TOs. He's had one awful game against Missouri. He was average against tamu.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:19 pm to
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I actually think he played poorly in that game. 7 turnovers and the game winning layup was honestly a defensive breakdown on WVU's part.

He did play very well against UMASS though


He still had 8 turnovers against UMass in that game.

Is Gray completely to blame for this team's issues? Absolutely not. However, he is the PG and has the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the team. Couple that with the fact that LSU's offense is a complete unorganized mess most of the time, he is forced to make plays for he and everyone else. That has a tendency to lead to some really poor plays on his part and this team just can't afford them. The structure of the offense doesn't generate many great shots. That is amplified when they run into good defensive teams like A&M.

You can tell that Gray has really good court vision. The downside is that not everyone else shares that same vision. He throws a lot of no look passes to where he anticipates a teammate should be. The problem is that teammate isn't there to receive it.

Still, I put the TO issue directly on Jones' shoulders. LSU leads the SEC in TOpg and has been near the bottom of the league in that category for the last 2 years. There is obviously no emphasis to fix the issue. Otherwise it would be fixed. There are stretches of LSU basketball games that look like AAU games. There isn't much organization and guys are just going up and down the court trying to make plays on their own.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:23 pm to
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He was also great against uga 15/6 with 2 TOs.


He wasn't great in that game. It was better than his other 2 performances though. He also had some incredibly stupid fouls in that game in key situations.

And yea, he was 15/6, but was also 5 for 13 from the field at .385

quote:

He was average against tamu.


He was 4 for 11, and he gave the game away at the end with back to back turnovers. If that is his average, we're in trouble.

He's obviously the key to this team's success. If he plays well, we can beat anyone.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted by LSUButt
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:25 pm to
If we are using that logic we can hate on lots of our team
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:26 pm to
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If we are using that logic we can hate on lots of our team



If I'm using what logic? I can't read your mind

And quit using the word hate
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted by Pnels08
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:27 pm to
Im saying despite hes performance TQ Keith and Jarrell were worse than him but yet he gets the blame. If tq and keith played their average game we would have won easily.
Posted by LSUButt
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:30 pm to
A player who turns it over at the end does not single handedly lose a game. It's a team effort. TQ going 1/7, Martin 5/15 with 4 TO's, Hornsby 2/8. All that contributes to a loss
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