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re: Why should Laird settle for $100 K rather than return to LSU?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:23 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:23 pm to dnm3305
The slot values in the first 10 rounds make up each team's spending pool. Any bonus over 100K in rounds 11-40 also counts against the pool (in the amount over 100).
Teams are penalized for going over their pool amount, not for being under or over on any specific player. If anything, Laird would be picked higher next year so the team drafting him could save more money on his slot amount. Higher pick has a higher value. Senior player leads to lower bonus. Those combined lead to savings for the team to spend on other players.
Teams are penalized for going over their pool amount, not for being under or over on any specific player. If anything, Laird would be picked higher next year so the team drafting him could save more money on his slot amount. Higher pick has a higher value. Senior player leads to lower bonus. Those combined lead to savings for the team to spend on other players.
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:30 pm to moneyg
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How would that add negotiating power to a senior?
the way i see it, and maybe i'm misguided in this opinion, but if you force players to declare for the draft, the draft pool is what it is. you only draft players you are going to sign. you don't take fliers on guys you may or may not sign or draft college seniors higher knowing they have no leverage and therefore you can ultimately save a few hundred thousand on their signing bonuses. better players go higher in the draft. you are then paid based on your slot, not paid based on your slot combined with your age. this would lead to players having more power IMO. the only players with real negotiating power now are high schoolers, and i personally think that's a joke. juniors have some negotiating power, but still not a ton because teams know that most guys are not going to stay their senior year and risk losing most of their current offer. they generally get paid slot unless they're a first round pick.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:31 pm to BayouBengalBoy
I'm not sure how this works with these signing bonuses figures floating around, but i'm assuming this $100k is gross proceeds (after-tax, less agent commission probably around $50-60k)
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:36 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Why should Laird settle for $100K rather than return to LSU? Why should Laird settle for $100K rather than return to LSU?
100 K ? That's it ? after taxes, you might can buy a couple of cars. 100 k is no money over a 50 year working career. Go back to school. Earn a degree.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:42 pm to BayouBengalBoy
I really think it's Laird's decision, and if that's what he wants to do, then we should accept that and thank him for his dedication and hard work he put in for the Tigers!!!
I don't think he will be in the minors for long, and apparently he has a plan for his future outside of baseball.
So, if I was him, I would also take the money and run...
I don't think he will be in the minors for long, and apparently he has a plan for his future outside of baseball.
So, if I was him, I would also take the money and run...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:48 pm to BayouBengalBoy
Because his power isn't going to increase, his arm wont' get better, and he can already hit for decent average. THis is as high as his stock gets. It can only lower next year when he'll be a senior with no leverage.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:55 pm to Moustache
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This guy knows. Whoever he is...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:11 pm to EyeoftheEldrick12
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100K ain't shite! Will be gone with ease.
I hear that- me & the wife pull in over 100K and are living paycheck to paycheck...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:39 pm to LSUNV
100K can pay for whatever school he has left.
LSu isn't that expensive.
probably could apply for tops too.
LSu isn't that expensive.
probably could apply for tops too.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:56 pm to BayouBengalBoy
I have seen so many comments on here that make no sense.
First it is $100k one time, not each year. If he doesn't move up the ranks quickly he would make as much or more in 3 years of a job after graduation.
He has allot of room for improvement, he has a large frame with allot of room to add muscle, his arm and power could improve.
None of us knows what his motivation is. He might just be playing for the love of the game and wants to be a vet. If so, he will play his last year, graduate and go on to vet school.
I wish him the best in whatever he does, he has done a great job for 3 years. This from a kid not rated highly out of high school, who first intended on walking on to the football team only.
First it is $100k one time, not each year. If he doesn't move up the ranks quickly he would make as much or more in 3 years of a job after graduation.
He has allot of room for improvement, he has a large frame with allot of room to add muscle, his arm and power could improve.
None of us knows what his motivation is. He might just be playing for the love of the game and wants to be a vet. If so, he will play his last year, graduate and go on to vet school.
I wish him the best in whatever he does, he has done a great job for 3 years. This from a kid not rated highly out of high school, who first intended on walking on to the football team only.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:05 am to lsufball19
Around half after taxes!
Posted on 6/11/15 at 1:23 am to lsufball19
It is misguided, IMO. Seniors have no leverage because they have nowhere else to play. You either sign with them for cheap or you go play in the Pecos league for less.
Your suggestion doesn't solve that problem. There's still nowhere else for them to go.
Your suggestion doesn't solve that problem. There's still nowhere else for them to go.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:59 am to BayouBengalBoy
To be honest, if I were a pro scout, I wouldn't draft him. He has a weak arm and his hitting is poor. His 2 strike approach is very bad. He half swings to just protect the plate. When he does actually swing he hits the ball pretty good but he doesn't do that consistently. He is fast and can catch but that's it.
He has to sign cause he might not get drafted this high next year.
He has to sign cause he might not get drafted this high next year.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:54 am to TigerDM
Why hasn't he added muscle to that frame by now, when he has his leverage...?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:56 am to TigerDM
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This from a kid not rated highly out of high school, who first intended on walking on to the football team only.
Not highly rated? What ratings were you looking at. He wasn't offered by LSU in football no, but he was certainly on many radars and decided to play baseball.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 9:45 am to MottLaneKid
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100 k is no money over a 50 year working career. Go back to school. Earn a degree.
Nobody is saying $100k is life-changing. But it's real money and more than he would get next year, so he should take it now.
And who said he can't get his degree? It's not an either/or thing. Take the money, give pro ball a shot, come back and finish your degree in the off-season or after your pro career ends, and then get on with life.
But at least he'll have taken the $100k when he had the chance instead of taking less next year.
The twisted logic you people use just because you want the kid to return is astounding.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 10:19 am to lsufball19
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the way i see it, and maybe i'm misguided in this opinion, but if you force players to declare for the draft, the draft pool is what it is. you only draft players you are going to sign. you don't take fliers on guys you may or may not sign or draft college seniors higher knowing they have no leverage and therefore you can ultimately save a few hundred thousand on their signing bonuses. better players go higher in the draft. you are then paid based on your slot, not paid based on your slot combined with your age. this would lead to players having more power IMO. the only players with real negotiating power now are high schoolers, and i personally think that's a joke. juniors have some negotiating power, but still not a ton because teams know that most guys are not going to stay their senior year and risk losing most of their current offer. they generally get paid slot unless they're a first round pick.
Seniors don't have negotiating power because they can't go back to college. If you forced players to declare, everyone would be in that boat. Your assumption that players would then be paid "slot value" is a huge leap that doesn't follow logic, IMO.
What you really want is for a stronger correlation between their draft position and their offer. That would take MLB and the Union coming to agreement on that.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 10:22 am to moneyg
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Your assumption that players would then be paid "slot value" is a huge leap that doesn't follow logic,
no it's not a huge leap at all. if everyone was forced to declare, then everyone drafted would be 100% going into pro ball. players would then be offered what they're actually worth as baseball players (slot) and not paid on their leveraging power (age). they would, more or less, be paid based on how high they are drafted. i don't see how that's a huge leap on logic at all.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 10:54 am to BayouBengalBoy
Thousandaires in Monroe live quite handsomely, don't ya know?
Actually he is close to getting his degree and ready to move on with his life. Good for him. Hopefully he closes out with a big-time CWS performance.
Actually he is close to getting his degree and ready to move on with his life. Good for him. Hopefully he closes out with a big-time CWS performance.
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