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re: Why Run the Ball?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:06 pm to Jeffreylebowski
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:06 pm to Jeffreylebowski
I agree, though I've always been a run-first guy.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:07 pm to Jeffreylebowski
Always wondered why no one ever asked Bryant about the three things that can happen when when you run the ball (positive yardage, negative yardage, or fumble) and why that same rule does not apply (ie 2 of 3 things bad).
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:11 pm to DIGGY
If it weren't for Teddy Roosevelt and the forward pass was never made legal, LSU would be the best team in college football...every other team would get penalties all the time
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:12 pm to Jeffreylebowski
lol @ all the people that stopped reading after the title.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:13 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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I know it's been overused but Bear Bryant was famous for saying "there's only 3 things that can happen when you pass, and 2 of them are bad"
Most people associate that quote with Darrel Royal but apparently Royal gave credit to Woody Hayes for the quote.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:13 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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there's only 3 things that can happen when you pass, and 2 of them are bad
When you run, its either a gain, no gain, or a fumble.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:14 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Jesus guys, did ANYONE actually read the OP?
Yes…I read it and agreed with it…I was just adding a little extra insight.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:16 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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I'll be the first to admit that LSU's penchant for only running the ball or "primarily" running the ball can be very frustrating to watch. Especially in a loss. However, the past few weeks have made a believer out of me. Passing has the perception of being way more entertaining, and looks like "innovative" or "smarter" football. Running looks like "simple" or "basic". We probably all fall into that trap.
However, if you can run it, you run it. I know it's been overused but Bear Bryant was famous for saying "there's only 3 things that can happen when you pass, and 2 of them are bad". Running is the higher percentage shot. Why pull up for 3 when a dunk is there? If you can block like LSU is blocking now and have the back LSU has, running is the "smarter" play/plan. Add in the blocking schemes that LSU runs and it is "innovative". Running for 250 on someone is more demoralizing than passing for 400. You rarely lose when you rush for ton, but can often lose if you only pass for 350-400.
There are probably a lot of these smart coaches/teams that pass all the time that are envious of LSU's "basic" run game right now. Ole Miss to name one.
Run baby Run.
This is entertaining. Maybe we should just use the wildcat and put an extra lineman up front.
Kidding aside: The run sets up the pass, and conversely the pass sets up the run. But you should take what the defense gives. This is how the forward pass was first originated....to get the ball behind the defenders stacked up front.
While some defenses will stack 7 or 8 against us all game, there is still daylight to run, yet run effectively.
Cam will not sell out 80% for the run as that is what Alabama is expecting him/miles to do. There will be deep pass plays to make Alabama pay for the crowded box.........but for God's sake, please Cam, please don't present us with 2nd and 8 for the entire game.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:17 pm to DIGGY
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Always wondered why no one ever asked Bryant about the three things that can happen when when you run the ball (positive yardage, negative yardage, or fumble) and why that same rule does not apply (ie 2 of 3 things bad).
The saying grates. And almost everything in life carries just a couple options. When I drive, I either reach my destination, crash, or crash and die.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:24 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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LSU's penchant for only running the ball or "primarily" running the ball
Obviously you should have just said "primarily," and left out "only."
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Passing has the perception of being way more entertaining
Not for me. I enjoy a good running game more than a good passing game, but I know what you're saying. A lot of people prefer it the other way around.
I usually get more excited by a big block than by a nice pass play.
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If you can block like LSU is blocking now
LSU did a great job against Ole Miss and Kentucky. Both of those teams were overmatched by the power-running game.
Alabama is a different challenge based on their defensive personnel. You're not going to just run over a team that can go toe-to-toe, and match up with your personnel from a physical standpoint. That's when strategy, and putting their defenders in conflict become more important.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:31 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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Bear Bryant was famous for saying, "Momma called. And when Momma calls, three things can happen and two of them are bad."
fixt
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:32 pm to inadaze
quote:Ole Miss was not overmatched. We just wanted it more and whooped their asses into the ground. Ole Miss defense is very good.
Alabama is a different challenge based on their defensive personnel. You're not going to just run over a team that can go toe-to-toe, and match up with your personnel from a physical standpoint. That's when strategy, and putting their defenders in conflict become more important.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:34 pm to dstone12
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This is entertaining. Maybe we should just use the wildcat and put an extra lineman up front.
Why is this said as a joke? Remember the 2007 game vs. Arkansas?
The Hogs ran for 385 yards (7.3 YPC) in a 50-48 Win over then-#1 LSU, and the Wildcat/Wildhog was one of their main formations.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:40 pm to Sev09
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lol @ all the people that stopped reading after the title.
Its unbelievable. Is that what happens with every thread? People just read the title and light in on a guy. What if the guy was actually anti-run (he wasn't for the TLDR crowd in case you haven't figured it out) but made some really good points? Wow.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:41 pm to Jeffreylebowski
We run because we don't pass well. It took over a month for us to learn how to run well which is disappointing but now that it works we have no need to change until a defense stops us. Bama will stop us. We will have to do something different.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:45 pm to Fishhead
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Ole Miss was not overmatched.
They were overmatched, and that was obvious.
Many people could see that coming before the game. This is a post from SabanIsAGod on the SEC Rant:
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Their defense is very fast but a little small. A power run game north and south can give them trouble, if you can clear the DL.
That was posted on 10/24/14 -- one day before the LSU-Ole Miss game.
Ole Miss' D personnel did not match up well with LSU's O personnel.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:47 pm to Fishhead
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Ole Miss was not overmatched. We just wanted it more and whooped their asses into the ground. Ole Miss defense is very good.
Ole Miss defense is good but they are smallish/quick up front & are better suited to defend spread offense's. LSU was a bad matchup for ole miss front 7
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:58 pm to inadaze
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Bama will stop us. We will have to do something different.
How much would u bet on Bama shutting down the LSU ground game? Will is a pretty strong word. Seems we heard that going into the OM game.
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Ole Miss' D personnel did not match up well with LSU's O personnel.
But did against Bama's?
Very Interesting....
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:09 pm to LSUANDY25
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But did against Bama's?
Very Interesting....
Bama was running the ball well on Ole Miss but went away from the run for whatever reason . I think LSU and Bama were both bad matchups for Ole Miss Defense.
A bad matchup doesn't necessarily mean you always win the game. Lsu/Ole Miss, Bama/Ole Miss were both very close games that could have gone either way. Bama prolly beats Ole Miss if game was played in Tuscaloosa .
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:11 pm to LSUANDY25
That first quote is not mine.
In looking at the matchups, I like LSU's power game vs. Ole Miss better than Alabama's, especially the offensive line and TEs. Plus, I think LSU has better overall depth at RB.
I think Alabama should have run the ball vs. Ole Miss more than they did, and specifically, I think they should have used Jalston Fowler more in that game.
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But did against Bama's?
In looking at the matchups, I like LSU's power game vs. Ole Miss better than Alabama's, especially the offensive line and TEs. Plus, I think LSU has better overall depth at RB.
I think Alabama should have run the ball vs. Ole Miss more than they did, and specifically, I think they should have used Jalston Fowler more in that game.
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