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re: Why I think we will be a tough team to beat
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:20 pm to Penrod
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:20 pm to Penrod
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bullshite! Bama does it every year. We have the best D-line at LSU since 2011. If Key misses half the season I'll give you that. But if he is playing in game 3? Screw that!
Wow, great! How long have we been on par talent wise with Bama? Are we recruiting on the same level of Bama? In total I believe we lost 8 of 11 starters. If you think you don't miss a beat with that kind of attrition then I can't help you. And for context I still said they would be very good.
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Devin White looks like he has the chance to be better than Riley or Beckwith.
I agree and said as much.
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I think we have three defenders on this team, who are not freshmen, who will be drafted higher on average than the three we lost. That would be Key, White, and either Lawrence, Alexander, or one of the DBs.
I also said I think our DL will be a little better.
So what did I say in my posts that would be an unreasonable statement?
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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dishonest? everyone can see your original post. it matters whether you have a senior or junior that's replacing a starter over a Freshman or redshirt freshman. you know that. any coach in cfb would rather replace a starter with an upperclassmen rather than a 1st or a 2nd year player.
I just find this whole argument amusing. Earlier you stated that some will underplay the talent of the team to provide cover for O (implied) if the season is not a success. Now on the other side, posters are stating that we are in the best shape at QB in almost a decade (possible)and the D won't miss a beat without:
Adams
Tre White
Beckwith
Riley
Godchaux
Neal
Jefferson
Bower
and Key for however long he is out.
I have high expectations, but am also realistic about some of the challenges this team has to face. I think O can succeed, but won't make excuses for his past failures. I also think he should have a short window to prove he can get the job done.
I guess that means I'll get attacked from both camps. So be it.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:03 pm to BayouCowboy
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Now on the other side, posters are stating that we are in the best shape at QB in almost a decade (possible)and the D won't miss a beat without:
at no point did i say the d won't miss a beat.
all I said is that it makes a difference in replacing a starter with an upperclassmen rather than an underclassmen.
don't lump me in with other people's posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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at no point did i say the d won't miss a beat. all I said is that it makes a difference in replacing a starter with an upperclassmen rather than an underclassmen. don't lump me in with other people's posts
You didn't. My full reply is not specifically to you but the whole argument that's been raging this offseason. You implied that some would downplay the talent level to support O if he does not do well. I agree that that side exists. Others use the reverse argument to raise an unrealistic bar.
It's political theatre at its finest and making any form of reasonable discussion nonexistent.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:34 pm to BayouCowboy
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You didn't. My full reply is not specifically to you but the whole argument that's been raging this offseason. You implied that some would downplay the talent level to support O if he does not do well. I agree that that side exists. Others use the reverse argument to raise an unrealistic bar.
It's political theatre at its finest and making any form of reasonable discussion nonexistent.
imo 10 wins should be the floor at lsu. that means you can lose to the 3 best teams you play all year. let's be honest, lsu is not playing 3 teams this year with more talent than lsu. I'm not saying O should be fired if he doesn't win 10 games though. imo he gets 3 years unless we have a losing season.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:37 pm to Angrybritches
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This years success hinges on how well the o line plays and how healthy they can stay. 1 or 2 bad injuries on the line could sink the season
Agreed. The success of our passing game will reflect on our run game, which is correlated to how good we are up front. An injury could disrupt what we have going on offense when we got rolling.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:43 pm to Penrod
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I agree with your assessment if you change the 9's to 10's. Anything less, and he should be on the hot seat.
Absolutely agree with this basically anything with a (4) in the loss column, he should be aware that his job is already on the line. Everyone I've spoken to also feel the same way. I live in Cajun country. Not from here but I've lived here a while now and I know lots of reasonable folks who absolutely love LSU, not necessarily it's HC, especially if that HC isn't improving the LSU brand.
I honestly believe the man wants what's best for LSU, so if he's failing miserably, I think O would resign on his own. I really believe that. Maybe I'm a bit naive for doing so, but we'll find out, if that happens. I truly doubt it though.
Our fans, especially the more persuasive posters here should get behind this guy. If we can build some positivity for him it could help in recruiting. All these negetive comments about him surely doesn't help LSU. People see these things and it looks extremly bad for LSU.
We already have the entire SEC talking this way, we don't need our own fans doing it as well. You guys need to come around for LSU. If the man fails, the world will come down on him anyway. We really don't need to prepare for something that may never happen, but might slow the progress which does.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:45 pm to BlindTiger7
On day one of the season, we will have one of the most talented teams in the country.
However, I have never seen an LSU team which is so thin (in talent or experience) in so many key areas.
We could become a fairly common team with injuries to:
1. anybody else on the OL.
2. Devin White;
3. Darius Guice
4. DJ Chark;
4. Danny Etling;
5 Arden Key;
However, I have never seen an LSU team which is so thin (in talent or experience) in so many key areas.
We could become a fairly common team with injuries to:
1. anybody else on the OL.
2. Devin White;
3. Darius Guice
4. DJ Chark;
4. Danny Etling;
5 Arden Key;
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:09 pm to BayouCowboy
quote:Flynn had very few game snaps maybe 30 or so before trouncing Miami, and about 75 before starting Sr year iirc.
I get you get practice and time in the system, but that does not equate to game experience.
QBs can learn a lot from the bench, if they put their mind to it instead of pouting.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:20 pm to Brazos
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My only concern is the O line and unfortunately it's a big concern. Its pretty rare to go through a season without at least one O lineman going down and it appears we can't afford that
this is not the only year we've been thin on the OL. Miles did not advertise it but we've had to piece together lines before and they were not so good. it did not even phase miles; he kept the same game plans.
my hope and from what I've seen is that Canada will change the play calling and blocking assignments if we get injured to take the pressure off of the line.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I really don't think you are paranoid, but saying stuff like that makes you sound like it.
Well I haven't seen many people with underachieving expectations in fact I see just as many or more people with overachieving expectations. 10-2 or 9-3 regular season records are mostly what I hear then I hear the occasional 11-1, 12-0, 8-4, and 7-5.
A (4) loss season could happen but IMO it would be extremely disappointing. We haven't had many (4) loss seasons with Miles, what 4 ncluding last year. With Canada and Aranda this shouldn't happen.
What's most important though is that the team actually look like they are taking positive steps forward. If that happens he should improve on that type of record. We'll have to wait and see.
I believe 10-3 w/ a bowl win is ok but 11-2 w/ a bowl win or not would be pretty damn good. I would also like to beat Bama or go score for score with them until the game ends with a winner, at the very least. GT
Well I haven't seen many people with underachieving expectations in fact I see just as many or more people with overachieving expectations. 10-2 or 9-3 regular season records are mostly what I hear then I hear the occasional 11-1, 12-0, 8-4, and 7-5.
A (4) loss season could happen but IMO it would be extremely disappointing. We haven't had many (4) loss seasons with Miles, what 4 ncluding last year. With Canada and Aranda this shouldn't happen.
What's most important though is that the team actually look like they are taking positive steps forward. If that happens he should improve on that type of record. We'll have to wait and see.
I believe 10-3 w/ a bowl win is ok but 11-2 w/ a bowl win or not would be pretty damn good. I would also like to beat Bama or go score for score with them until the game ends with a winner, at the very least. GT
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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imo 10 wins should be the floor at lsu. that means you can lose to the 3 best teams you play all year. let's be honest, lsu is not playing 3 teams this year with more talent than lsu. I'm not saying O should be fired if he doesn't win 10 games though. imo he gets 3 years unless we have a losing season.
I agree. Anything less is a disappointing season. The schedule seems like an extremely difficult one on the surface, but honestly Bama and maybe Auburn are the only teams without serious question marks. It really comes down to who can maximize their talent and mask their deficiencies. I think we can, but I've been burned before.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:49 pm to BayouBengal99
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I think O would resign on his own. I really believe that. Maybe I'm a bit naive for doing so, but we'll find out, if that happens. I truly doubt it though.
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Our fans, especially the more persuasive posters here should get behind this guy. If we can build some positivity for him it could help in recruiting. All these negetive comments about him surely doesn't help LSU. People see these things and it looks extremly bad for LSU.
overrated. recruits don't care what some middle aged guys say on a message board. If he wins, he'll recruit well and shut us up at the same time.
I believe, just like in politics, you need to be very skeptical at things that look bad on their face. Some negativity and pessimism is healthy and keeps the CheeriOs from building a make believe universe where O reigns as the Duke.
IMHO
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:21 am to BayouBengal99
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the staff is putting a strong emphases on defensive TOs, there for giving our offense the ball more and putting more easy points on the board
Gosh, that's a brilliant idea.... I wonder why more coaches have never thought of it, before you hatched the plan?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 6:40 am to StadiumDormRat'72
I like what I am hearing out of camp and with Danny at QB. To me it seems to be a take on the West Coast offense system with much more pre snap movement. It is a angle attack putting a focus on one player to be the target of the attack. When the QB doesn't sit and read but knows the set-up to go to all he has to do is get the ball to a predetermined location. If we do what we should do there will be a couple of defensive guys no matter what they do exposed. For a teams like the Gators and Bama this will allow us not to force our will on them but to expose them !
Look at the Clemson game last year and watch what Canada did. He never pushed Clemson at the line like Miles did every week. He pokes at your weak spot on each play and he moves his personnel to create that weakness.
this is going to be fun !!!!
Look at the Clemson game last year and watch what Canada did. He never pushed Clemson at the line like Miles did every week. He pokes at your weak spot on each play and he moves his personnel to create that weakness.
this is going to be fun !!!!
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 6:42 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 6:45 am to BayouCowboy
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I think the poster you responded to was accurate when he said inexperienced. You can argue talent being good (not as good - yet), but I'm not sure how you can call this unit very experienced. Who cares if you are a senior if you have never started.
I think you have this 100% wrong. It's not game experience that matters as much as time in the program (assuming the talent is there). Multiple guys have proved this, like Debo Jones, Duke Riley, DJ Chark.
The guys you're wondering about would have been playing last year, but Miles finally talked a batch a rising seniors into staying. This is what Bama has been doing for years - replacing seniors with rising juniors and seniors. And they seem to play well in spite of not having much game experience.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:50 am to BayouCowboy
If you watched Devin White at all last year I wouldn't worry about that spot at all. The dude has All-american written all over him. He's gonna be better than Beckwith.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to BlindTiger7
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This years success hinges on how well the o line plays and how healthy they can stay. 1 or 2 bad injuries on the line could sink the season
This i dont get, everyone is saying our season depends on oline and qb. For about 10 years, outside of maybe one, mett, we have one without a qb or an offensive line. Last year with an offense with even i tiny bit more creativity, we win all but maybe one.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:35 am to TchPowDog
quote:This.
Keep in mind, Pitt had a terrible OL, imo.
We lost some players, but with the extent and depth of talent we have on D and with Aranda in his second year after a stellar performance last year, I easily see us being a top 5 D. At that point, what does it matter where you're ranked? It comes down to plays.
On the O side, O-line is an issue, but most other programs would be more than happy with our current O-line prospects. On top of that, Canada has proven that he can work with deficiencies in his offenses to hide them and play to their strengths. He has a lot of other talent he can turn to. Plus, he has already proven that he can come in, install an offense, and be successful his first year. Last year was a perfect dress rehearsal for this year. I can see us easily being a top 20 offense this year, maybe even top 10.
That combination will have us in the hunt every game. After that, it comes down to how the ball bounces.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:54 am to irnfan
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This.
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We lost some players, but with the extent and depth of talent we have on D and with Aranda in his second year after a stellar performance last year, I easily see us being a top 5 D. At that point, what does it matter where you're ranked? It comes down to plays.
On the O side, O-line is an issue, but most other programs would be more than happy with our current O-line prospects. On top of that, Canada has proven that he can work with deficiencies in his offenses to hide them and play to their strengths. He has a lot of other talent he can turn to. Plus, he has already proven that he can come in, install an offense, and be successful his first year. Last year was a perfect dress rehearsal for this year. I can see us easily being a top 20 offense this year, maybe even top 10.
That combination will have us in the hunt every game. After that, it comes down to how the ball bounces.
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