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re: Why I completely agree with Miles' decision...
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:38 am to josh336
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:38 am to josh336
I'm not bitching out, I'm just tired of everyone thinking Lee is going to win the Heisman this year if he gets a chance to start. How much did Lee improve from when he started in '08 to when he started the LA Tech game?
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Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:41 am to TIGERSby10
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I'm just tired of everyone thinking Lee is going to win the Heisman this year
way to embellish, no one is saying anything like that, its more about seeing what else we have, because Lee is an unknown this year.
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How much did Lee improve from when he started in '08 to when he started the LA Tech game?
None, and he had gained some weight and didn't look into it. He's lost that weight for this year and if they give him a chance, he might prove to be the same or be better.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:41 am to CaseyMc2
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Last weekend there was Wr after WR wide open and he just would not throw the ball to them because they were not the primary reciever and you could see they were getting frustrated because of it.
I want to see the team utilizing all it's weapons not just a shell of the team that we have. We should be first in total offense with the WR's to go with the RB's we have. There should be problems all over the field for the opposistion to worry about and not just our running game.
+1
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:42 am to TIGERSby10
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No matter who gets the nod, I sure hope the LSU fans don't boo this team. If we want to be considered the best fans in America, we need to start acting like it.
Nice
Posted on 9/17/10 at 9:51 am to TIGERSby10
So JL can't improve but we are all suppose to hope that JJ does... despite the fact that we KNOW JJ hasn't but don't KNOW that JL hasn't.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:09 am to TIGERSby10
Why do people keep saying that Lee is more accurate? His completion rate does not suggest that conclusion at all. His interception rate does not suggest that at all.
Jefferson's UNC Game
Everyone is ragging on Jefferson for the UNC game. He completed ovr 70% of his passes.
Lee has never had a start where he completed 70% of his passes.
Let me restate that so it sinks in a little bit.
People who complain about JJ's UNC game should realize that Lee has NEVER had a start with a completion rate as good as Jefferson's UNC game.
Jefferson's Vandy Game
Jefferson completed only 40% of his passes against Vandy. That is horrible.
However, Lee has had four starts that were as bad or worse. Yes, worse than Jefferson's worst game. Even though Lee has had fewer starts than Jefferson, he has had far more games at or below 40% than Jefferson.
Indeed, Lee has had more starts and more games where he threw at or below 50% completions than he has had above 50%. And that's including his 1 for 1 perfomance against Vandy.
And even though Jefferson has played in far more games than Lee, Jefferson still hasn't thrown as many interceptions as Lee.
Jefferson's UNC Game
Everyone is ragging on Jefferson for the UNC game. He completed ovr 70% of his passes.
Lee has never had a start where he completed 70% of his passes.
Let me restate that so it sinks in a little bit.
People who complain about JJ's UNC game should realize that Lee has NEVER had a start with a completion rate as good as Jefferson's UNC game.
Jefferson's Vandy Game
Jefferson completed only 40% of his passes against Vandy. That is horrible.
However, Lee has had four starts that were as bad or worse. Yes, worse than Jefferson's worst game. Even though Lee has had fewer starts than Jefferson, he has had far more games at or below 40% than Jefferson.
Indeed, Lee has had more starts and more games where he threw at or below 50% completions than he has had above 50%. And that's including his 1 for 1 perfomance against Vandy.
And even though Jefferson has played in far more games than Lee, Jefferson still hasn't thrown as many interceptions as Lee.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:16 am to TIGERSby10
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Our defense and special teams alone can win games for us
Quit reading here.... You will be a fool to rely on defense and special teams to win games instead of working on a solution to your problem
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:19 am to Dead Fish
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it is obvious that you are oblivious.
No, what is obvious is that he is spot on.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:26 am to TIGERSby10
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Why I completely agree with Miles' decision
He has to start JJ, but he SHOULD get JL in the game. I think JL will be the eventual starter anyway, but will be nice to give him some reps
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:30 am to just me
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People who complain about JJ's UNC game should realize that Lee has NEVER had a start with a completion rate as good as Jefferson's UNC game.
The almighty completion percentage shows up again. Other factors should be considered, you know. This is not to endorse Lee, but to point something out. Defending a quarterback solely on completion percentage/interception rate is misleading.
This isn't apples to apples, but there are 2 NFL versions to counter that logic: Pennington and Favre.
Pennington: 66% completions, 2.59% interception rate
Favre: 62% completions, 3.23% interception rate
Who is the better quarterback? This isn't a great comparison to JJ/JL, but it shows that those percentages are misleading. Again, I'm not die hard for Lee and I don't think Jefferson is near as bad as people are thinking nowadays.
This is just showing that stats can be slanted any way you want to support an argument. If you define accuracy as the best completion %, and completion % as the #1 factor for a quarterback to have to give us the best chance to win, then JJ is your man.
I want something new for the offense. shite has been ridiculous over the last year and a half and the coaches/players currently in the games haven't been able to make our passing game a threat. Why not try Lee
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:46 am to faxis
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The mere thought that we are a running team when we have Randle, Tolliver, and Shep as receivers boggles the mind. One crappy QB counters three future NFL receivers...
You got that right. With the right trigger man, LSU's offense should be wide open scoring 30+ per game. However, it appears we do need to go to the "I" formation and play a run first, play-action pass offense. JJ is not catching on to the spread.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:51 am to faxis
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The mere thought that we are a running team when we have Randle, Tolliver, and Shep as receivers boggles the mind. One crappy QB counters three future NFL receivers...
This. Unfrickingbelievable that we have arguably the best receiving corps in the SEC, maybe the nation; but can't pass the friggin' ball.
Why do we even have a "passing game coordinator?" It's not necessary when you can't complete a catchable pass.
This post was edited on 9/17/10 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/17/10 at 10:55 am to BTRDD
ugghhh completion percentages of a good quarterback that only throws more than 5 yards down field twice a game should be high.
And it wouldn't matter if JJ had completed 100% last week. If he throws it at the receivers ankles or behind them it is a bad pass.
Let me say that again. If a qb throws a pass at a receivers ankles it is a bad pass.
And it wouldn't matter if JJ had completed 100% last week. If he throws it at the receivers ankles or behind them it is a bad pass.
Let me say that again. If a qb throws a pass at a receivers ankles it is a bad pass.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 11:09 am to omegaman66
quote:I don't blame you for saying "ugghhh." If the facts did not support my argument, I would probably say "ugghhh" too.
ugghhh completion percentages of a good quarterback that only throws more than 5 yards down field twice a game should be high.
I bet you wish the facts and the stats would just go away. It must suck to argue something when the facts don't support your argument.
Ugghhh.
Oh, and Jefferson had a higher yards per attempt in 2009 than Lee had in 2008 and 2009. So who is completing shorter passes?
quote:Except that Jefferson had some beautiful throws in the UNC game. Throws to Joseph, Randle, and Shepard were in stride and downright pretty.
And it wouldn't matter if JJ had completed 100% last week. If he throws it at the receivers ankles or behind them it is a bad pass.
One other thing. I would rather my QB throw an ugly completion than a pretty incompletion or interception.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 11:11 am to Boh
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The almighty completion percentage shows up again. Other factors should be considered, you know. This is not to endorse Lee, but to point something out. Defending a quarterback solely on completion percentage/interception rate is misleading.
This isn't apples to apples, but there are 2 NFL versions to counter that logic: Pennington and Favre.
Pennington: 66% completions, 2.59% interception rate
Favre: 62% completions, 3.23% interception rate
Who is the better quarterback? This isn't a great comparison to JJ/JL, but it shows that those percentages are misleading. Again, I'm not die hard for Lee and I don't think Jefferson is near as bad as people are thinking nowadays.
This is just showing that stats can be slanted any way you want to support an argument. If you define accuracy as the best completion %, and completion % as the #1 factor for a quarterback to have to give us the best chance to win, then JJ is your man.
I want something new for the offense. shite has been ridiculous over the last year and a half and the coaches/players currently in the games haven't been able to make our passing game a threat. Why not try Lee
Shhh! You shouldn't let "moonbats" like Dead Fish read this!
Posted on 9/17/10 at 12:02 pm to TIGERSby10
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Our defense and special teams alone can win games for us. With putting so much emphasis on being a running team and wearing down defenses in the fourth quarter, we don't need a QB who will be a gunslinger to throw the ball all over the field and take away from the running game
Yes, JJ should start this week, but I have a few problems with your above reasoning- First off, by depending on defense/special teams, you are trying to make an excuse for the offense not being productive. It is one thing to say we don't have talent on offense, but that would be a lie considering what we have at wide receiver. I am also not ready to say our running backs/offensive line can dominate games for the rest of the season. They can continue to improve, but it's hard to base the health of the running game on a depleted UNC defense & wearing out a weak Vandy defense. We need the passing game- JJ is not being asked to be an all SEC QB, but with his weapons he has to throw to, he should be able to have consistent 150 yard passing games & occasional 200 yard passing games. Luckily for us, JJ picked Vandy to have a poor game; if that was against one of at least 6 other teams on our schedule, the results would not have been so good. JJ is a junior, it is time to quit hearing about 'improvement' & instead see consistency; if not, then J. Lee needs more playing time, or maybe even a start at some point this season. Once again this week- a big test for JJ & Crowton...
Posted on 9/17/10 at 12:04 pm to just me
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Why do people keep saying that Lee is more accurate? His completion rate does not suggest that conclusion at all. His interception rate does not suggest that at all.
Jefferson's UNC Game
Everyone is ragging on Jefferson for the UNC game. He completed ovr 70% of his passes.
Lee has never had a start where he completed 70% of his passes.
Let me restate that so it sinks in a little bit.
People who complain about JJ's UNC game should realize that Lee has NEVER had a start with a completion rate as good as Jefferson's UNC game.
Jefferson's Vandy Game
Jefferson completed only 40% of his passes against Vandy. That is horrible.
However, Lee has had four starts that were as bad or worse. Yes, worse than Jefferson's worst game. Even though Lee has had fewer starts than Jefferson, he has had far more games at or below 40% than Jefferson.
Indeed, Lee has had more starts and more games where he threw at or below 50% completions than he has had above 50%. And that's including his 1 for 1 perfomance against Vandy.
And even though Jefferson has played in far more games than Lee, Jefferson still hasn't thrown as many interceptions as Lee.
Don't bring out the facts here, bro.
Funny thing is, I think a few of us so-called Jefferson supporters were pretty honest in our assessment of JJ's performance last week, and pretty open-minded about the need to let Lee get some snaps. However, Lee's online lobbying firm almost makes me wish that he never starts just to spite these clowns.
Jesus.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 12:05 pm to Tiger in Texas
I started this thread and if you read my post, I said JJ needs to start, but if he is having a bad game, then Lee needs to come in. I'm just saying that JJ deserves the chance to show that last week was a fluke and that he can pass for 150 to 200 yards a game with a good running game.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 12:46 pm to TIGERSby10
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I started this thread and if you read my post
Yes, I read your post, by my arguement with your post had more to do with the assumption we don't really need the passing game this year. As you will see in my response, I don't disagree that JJ should start this week, but I want to see a more productive offense, & that starts with the QB. I am not one of those people who make it a personal arguement about Lee or JJ- I don't care-I want LSU to win, & to do so by having an effective defense AND offense...
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:35 pm to josh336
All u boys that love JJ are not watching the games the last 2 years I am. When did he have back to back good games in his career? 
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