re: Why I believe Oklahoma State has a better case than Alabama

"Most people" in America agreed in 2003 that 2003 USC was better than 2003 LSU. And this conclusion was based on what they "saw on the field." Hard evidence, stats, and results did not mean a thing. People who say Alabama is "obviously" the second best team are using the same exact logic as the media and the majority of Americans in 2003. On the field results be damned, a few talking heads said it so I will believe it.

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Do you REALLY (truthfully and honestly) believe that osu would even stay on the field with LSU OR Bama?

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Nope...but then I don't really consider it relevant here. It's an assumption on my part, and yours, and everyone else's.

Why guess when we already have data?

Why wonder which team is better between BAMA and OSU? Don't we already have data that suggests that BAMA will lose to LSU...what with them already having done so? Why would they get a second shot before a team with just as much of an argument gets a first?

While I don't think OSU can handle LSU, I simply won;t know that until they play. What I do know is that BAMA, when given a shot to take care of LSU at home with all the marbles on the table could not get it done.

Actually a good read. You hit a few high notes the preseason hype is what this comes down too. You are right on paper these teams are very similar. Bama has bigger names. The strength of competition is evident in the computer rankings. I too feel that Okie state deserves a shot but I also feel that Stanford deserves a shot if Bama can go with out even winning division.

LSU
Okie state
Bama/Stanford.

Also I live the Florida 2006 point. That started the whole SEC era of dominance and championship runs.

Post this on the SEC rant

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cliff notes

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Why then should Alabama not earn a trip to the National Championship Game? There are many reasons. Here are five:

1) Alabama's high ranking now is largely the result of a preseason #2 ranking.

2) Alabama already lost to LSU, at home no less. Why should Alabama get a second shot when there is a team that is just as deserving, but who hasn't had the chance to play LSU?

3) Allowing the SEC two teams in the National Championship Game opens the SEC to a pseudo-monopoly. We have little to judge the strength of the Big XII to the SEC other than a narrow win by the SEC's #3 team, Arkansas, over the Big XII's #7 team, Texas A&M. By giving Alabama a free trip to the NC Game, we have no idea if the Big XII's best could have defeated the SEC's best. The SEC has earned much respect based on prior results, but the SEC should not be given a monopoly. It would be bad for the competitiveness of college football.

4) Oklahoma State is a conference champion. Alabama did not even win its division, much less its conference. If Alabama wins, what a strange world it would be in a non-playoff system for a team that did not win its own conference to be national champion when at least three teams (Oklahoma State, Stanford, and LSU) would have equal or superior records and actually did win their conferences.

5) 2006. Save for a last second drive amongst voters to ensure Michigan did not get a rematch against Ohio State, we would have ended 2006 with the belief that the Big 10 was the best conference in the land. Imagine if Florida did not get the chance to play in the NC Game. The world would have assumed Ohio State or Michigan was far and away the best team in the land. But look how Florida destroyed undefeated Ohio State. What if Oklahoma State is capable of doing the same to LSU, but is never given that chance? Again, Alabama had its chance. Oklahoma State has earned its chance to show the world what it is capable of doing.

I think it's funny that in September people argue that preseason hype and polls are worthless, and in late November it is acceptable to make the argument that someone is ranked higher because of preseason hype.

I agree. It absolutely has an effect. I just find the situation amusing.

Good points. The logic against a rematch is overwhelming.

And since gumps are so proud of their loss--to the point where wins are ignored, I'd bet money that okie would've finished bama's schedule with the same record.

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In that case, it's appropriate to ask yourself which team is better -- and if that word is too complicated -- which team would you bet on straight up???

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they will have better teams left out of the bcs games due to conference champions and tie ins.i agree bama is the best opponent for lsu but the way the bcs is set up it contradicts its self,it should be the best ten teams (by ranking ) play in bcs games.

It's a good read. The internet breeds laziness though.