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re: Why are umpires allowed to have their "own" strike zones?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:18 am to paper tiger
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:18 am to paper tiger
Paper tiger ,I am shocked at the down voters . I don't like umps controlling the game ,I believe that a lot of tiger fans think that LSU gets a benefit by that lack of rule following ! Great post !
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:19 am to Paddyshack
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Sure there is a definition. The definition itself isnt subjective.
Each individual umpire makes it subjective. I used to set up 3 inches off the plate once I knew the ump would give my pitcher that call. That is part of the game, you have to use it to your advantage. You may not get that same call on the inside corner though. Then you go back in the dugout and tell all your mates that he is calling it 3 inches off. Now your team can make the adjustment and protect against getting rung up on that pitch.
Yes, yes. We get that. This is part of your baseball lore thing. I disagree that it should be that way. That's all. I don't lose sleep over it, and I'm not going to protest.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:20 am to paper tiger
Because different people perceive different things.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:21 am to KG6
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How can you expect a person to correctly call an imaginary box floating in 3 dimensional space while paying attention to a ball moving 90 mph??? They "have their own strike zone" due to the way they personally see the pitches. No two people are going to see them exactly the same. In terms of hitting the spots, they aren't "rewarding" a pitcher. It's just that when it's close, and a catcher doesn't have to move his mitt, it "sells" it as a strike more. It's just the human nature element. Hell, a catcher can frame up a ball off the plate to make it look like it was an inch or so closer than it was. Stuff is happening way to fast to see otherwise every single time.
Meh. It's not about "hitting spots" or "painting corners". It's about, for example, some that have a low zone, while calling pitches at the letters a "ball", or vice versa.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:22 am to recruitnik
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Because different people perceive different things.
Another vote for the baseball mythos.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:26 am to Mo Jeaux
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Meh. It's not about "hitting spots" or "painting corners". It's about, for example, some that have a low zone, while calling pitches at the letters a "ball", or vice versa.
No it isnt. Its about not making that catchers mitt move. If the catcher sets up 2 inches off the plate and the pitcher executes a perfect pitch, you are most likely getting that call because of how it was presented to the ump. The ump will not assume the catcher setup outside of the strike zone, he will perceive it as a pitch thats paints the black.
You can call it baseball lore or whatever you said, but thats how it is.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:36 am to Paddyshack
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No it isnt. Its about not making that catchers mitt move. If the catcher sets up 2 inches off the plate and the pitcher executes a perfect pitch, you are most likely getting that call because of how it was presented to the ump. The ump will not assume the catcher setup outside of the strike zone, he will perceive it as a pitch thats paints the black.
That's great. The strike zone is based on the batter and the plate.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:38 am to Mo Jeaux
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The strike zone is based on the batter, the plate, and the umpire.
FIFY
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:44 am to paper tiger
Because baseball
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:44 am to Paddyshack
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FIFY
That's great. Your fix is not reflected in the rule book.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:48 am to paper tiger
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Why should we be okay with umps that regularly miss correct calls just because they miss it both ways?
Sounds like another gripe because it's "not fair"
Personally, and I have seen 1000 plus games, it makes the game unique and interesting.
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I like the human element of umpiring and the mistakes they make are part of the game. There will always be close calls that could go either way.
Don't they have instant replay?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:51 am to LSUROXS
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Don't they have instant replay?
Well, we shouldn't have that (according to the logic of many in this thread) because of [insert mystical baseball reason involving officials here].
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:53 am to LSURussian
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Last night's game is proof that the NCAA needs to go to electronic calling of balls and strikes.
That is ridiculous!! It would ruin the game. We may not agree with every call, but how uninteresting for pitchers and batters. Also, it would remove strategies for pitching as well as hitting. Every batter is different and every pitcher is different, so why would we "cookie cutter" the strike zone?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:53 am to paper tiger
Because they're human.
It's just like some NBA officials tend to call games a bit tighter than others.
It's just like some NBA officials tend to call games a bit tighter than others.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:57 am to LSUROXS
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it would remove strategies for pitching as well as hitting.
No, it wouldn't.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:57 am to Mo Jeaux
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Well, we shouldn't have that (according to the logic of many in this thread) because of [insert mystical baseball reason involving officials here].
You should probably consider tapping out of this thread. For someone who said they didnt care about it, you have more posts in this thread than anyone. And they are all off base.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:57 am to Mo Jeaux
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I don't lose sleep over it, and I'm not going to protest
Clearly
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:59 am to MountainTiger
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I'm not sure how you'd prevent it other than going to some sort of video technology to call balls and strikes. To me, it's just part of the game. Baseball is about making adjustments and one of the adjustments that you have to make, both as a batter and a pitcher, is to learn the strike zone of the ump. I don't view it as a bad thing; it's just part of what makes baseball baseball.
Thanks for the response, at least you appear to be among those who actually read my post.
I am not for robot umps. I love the human element in the game. I totally get that there will always be close calls.
My complaint is with umps who have a know reputation for having strike zones larger than the rules allow.
How do you prevent it? They should be graded by their umpire association and instructed to use the real strike zone if an inordinate amount of their calls fall outside the zone. If they continue to purposefully call strikes outside the zone, get better umps.
Half of the people complaining about what I wrote must not have read it because of my "wall of text". I like the human error and arguing over close calls. I do not like umpires who knowingly create an expanded zone and penalize batters who will not swing at balls that are not true strikes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:00 am to Paddyshack
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You should probably consider tapping out of this thread.
Why?
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For someone who said they didnt care about it
Please cite where I said this. Thank you.
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you have more posts in this thread than anyone.
K.
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And they are all off base.
I can quote the rule book if you'd like. Not sure how doing so would be off base.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:01 am to DBU
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Clearly
Quality contribution. I'll interpret this as reflective of your intellectual ability to assess the topic.
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