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re: Why all the hate for Alleva
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:07 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:07 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:
5. cowers to a&m demands and we now play on thanksgiving night
come on, man
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:08 am to MoreOrLes
quote:
WTF does that have to do with Alleva's inability to keep pace with SEC salaries
we literally JUST had the highest paid coaching staff
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:17 am to BeeFense5
I really doubt we would've had to fully match that number to keep him. Money wasn't the issue and I don't see him doing that to Les over a little money. You could see it on Miles face after the bowl game. He was blown away and in disbelief that we couldn't make the deal with Chavis. It looked like he was blindsided for real. Whatever caused him to leave was done by Alleva and was considered irreconcilable by Chavis.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:55 am to Choctaw
quote:na we had the highest paid coordinators. Bama spends 9 times what lsu does on specialty coaches and recruiting.
we literally JUST had the highest paid coaching staff
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:10 am to STRIPES
quote:This is discussed throughout the thread...did you jump to that post without reading?
Tell me why Alleva is so "retarded" as you put it and what he has specificly done which makes you so mad? I really would like to hear what your reasons are.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:13 am to heartbreakTiger
Can someone put together a straight up Pro Con List?
ETA: A list:
PRO:
1. Stadium expansion.
2. Softball coach hire.
-Possible: I'm sure there's a few...
CON:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
2. His bull shite about traffic after games, the shite still wasn't fixed this year.
3. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
4. Presently, handling of DC hire.
Push:
1. Signing the defensive staff before getting the DC locked in.
2. Trent Johnson being hired, looked good at the time but he was a failure. [But is that on Alleva?]
ETA: A list:
PRO:
1. Stadium expansion.
2. Softball coach hire.
-Possible: I'm sure there's a few...
CON:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
2. His bull shite about traffic after games, the shite still wasn't fixed this year.
3. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
4. Presently, handling of DC hire.
Push:
1. Signing the defensive staff before getting the DC locked in.
2. Trent Johnson being hired, looked good at the time but he was a failure. [But is that on Alleva?]
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:14 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:
How did he "not handle it well"? You people are lost.
Alleva went out and got unquestionably one of the top 3 coaches in the country to come here. How is it his fault that the guy flaked out and backed out of the job? Then Alleva recovered and went out and made another great hire and the new coach has the program poised to make CWS runs every year for the near future.
Bash Alleva for other shite if you want, but I have no idea how you can spin that the softball coach situation was his frick-up.
Thats a good argument, I'll add to the list.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:15 am to section414
quote:
Why all the hate for Alleva
Les has received as much hate as he can, so the remainder had to go to someone else.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:25 am to LSURonin
quote:
5. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
horseshite. Y'all are just pulling stuff out of your arse now.
LSU fans want to play all their games at night and expect this to be catered to, which is pretty much was last year….but it is not OK for Texas A&M to want to play on Thanksgiving? Hypocritical much….
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:28 am to LSURonin
quote:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
What do you expect him to do? Burn the office down? He vocalized his disapproval of the schedule but didn't have enough support from other schools to do anything about it. It is kinda hard to fight a fight when it is 1 versus 13. This year, LSU wanted to go to the Music City Bowl and play ND….and that happened. What more do you want?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:31 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:I'm just compiling. You think A&M should be able to call the shots on playing on Thanksgiving or not? Do they?
Horse shite. Y'all are just pulling stuff out of your arse now.
LSU fans want to play all their games at night and expect this to be catered to, which is pretty much was last year….but it is not OK for Texas A&M to want to play on Thanksgiving? Hypocritical much….
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:33 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:It's kinda like complaining about any other high level exec's performance without knowing what options they have at their disposal...I don't know what all he could have done, but it's still messed up. Maybe if he was better at lobbying/negotiating there could have been a more fair result instead of the clearly biased bullshite we got?
quote:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
What do you expect him to do? Burn the office down? He vocalized his disapproval of the schedule but didn't have enough support from other schools to do anything about it. It is kinda hard to fight a fight when it is 1 versus 13. This year, LSU wanted to go to the Music City Bowl and play ND….and that happened. What more do you want?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:33 am to LSURonin
I wasn't venting at you…I know you are just compiling.
And if LSU fans can want all night games, A&M fans have the same right to want to play on Thanksgiving.
And if LSU fans can want all night games, A&M fans have the same right to want to play on Thanksgiving.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:33 am to section414
quote:
Why all the hate for Alleva
Duke Lacrosse
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:37 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:Meh, jockeying time of day is different than playing on a holiday IMO.
And if LSU fans can want all night games, A&M fans have the same right to want to play on Thanksgiving.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:39 am to kingbob
quote:
Duke Lacrosse
That was huge but I hate to include it on the list of pro/cons at LSU. Still not sure why they hired him based on that though.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:40 am to LSURonin
Present list:
list:
PRO:
1. Stadium expansion.
2. Softball coach hire.
-Possible: I'm sure there's a few...
CON:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
2. His bull shite about traffic after games, the shite still wasn't fixed this year.
3. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
4. Presently, handling of DC hire.
Push:
1. Signing the defensive staff before getting the DC locked in.
2. Trent Johnson being hired, looked good at the time but he was a failure. [But is that on Alleva?]
list:
PRO:
1. Stadium expansion.
2. Softball coach hire.
-Possible: I'm sure there's a few...
CON:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
2. His bull shite about traffic after games, the shite still wasn't fixed this year.
3. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
4. Presently, handling of DC hire.
Push:
1. Signing the defensive staff before getting the DC locked in.
2. Trent Johnson being hired, looked good at the time but he was a failure. [But is that on Alleva?]
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:44 am to LSURonin
CON:
The Johnny Jones hire, and subsequent raise/extension after winning an NIT game.
Maybe Jones pans out, but his coaching up to this point has been subpar. Hopefully we make the NCAA tournament this year, and with the stars coming in next year we have to at least make the Sweet 16. However, he needs to show that what hopefully will happen next year won't be an aberration.
Con:
Paying $750K to a coach who's program loses money.......while paying the baseball coach (who's program operates at a profit) less..
The Johnny Jones hire, and subsequent raise/extension after winning an NIT game.
Maybe Jones pans out, but his coaching up to this point has been subpar. Hopefully we make the NCAA tournament this year, and with the stars coming in next year we have to at least make the Sweet 16. However, he needs to show that what hopefully will happen next year won't be an aberration.
Con:
Paying $750K to a coach who's program loses money.......while paying the baseball coach (who's program operates at a profit) less..
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:02 am to TJG210
quote:
CON:
The Johnny Jones hire, and subsequent raise/extension after winning an NIT game.
Maybe Jones pans out, but his coaching up to this point has been subpar. Hopefully we make the NCAA tournament this year, and with the stars coming in next year we have to at least make the Sweet 16. However, he needs to show that what hopefully will happen next year won't be an aberration.
Seems like to be a clear Con it'd have to be a pretty bad hire on its face. I mean, we can't expect Alleva to predict the future? Jones wasn't exactly the most promising option coming in, but did we have a lot of options? How about "Push: (leaning Con)"?
quote:Who is that again? Hard to keep up...
Paying $750K to a coach who's program loses money...
PRO:
1. Stadium expansion.
2. Softball coach hire.
-Possible: I'm sure there's a few...
CON:
1. Subservient posture toward the SEC Admin, e.g., bridge games, bowl games, refgate(s), etc.
2. His bull shite about traffic after games, the shite still wasn't fixed this year.
3. Cowers to A&M demands and we now play on Thanksgiving night.
4. Presently, handling of DC hire.
5. Miles extension contract.
Push:
1. Good and bad, Signing the defensive staff before getting the DC locked in.
2. Trent Johnson being hired, looked good at the time but he was a failure. [But is that on Alleva?]
3. (Leaning Con): Johnny Jones hire, rough start but could improve.
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