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re: Why all the backlash now? Only the outcome changed
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:29 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:29 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Didn't realize you were in that number, baw. Will just chalk it up as a rare lapse of judgment on your part.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:29 am to Open Your Eyes
Because he got a stay of execution and still refused to adapt
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:30 am to Lou Pai
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Didn't realize you were in that number, baw. Will just chalk it up as a rare lapse of judgment on your part.
No. I was an overly optimistic dumbass. I can take what I have coming
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:34 am to Open Your Eyes
the magnitude of this backlash is the only difference. i'm a perfect example of an ex miles supporter. I like the man and I witnessed some damn good games he's coached and he recruits lights out.
I thought the 3 losses last year were the exception, not the rule. I also bought into the concept that his near firing would wake him up.
the loss did not change my mind the WAY WE LOST did. our problems with the O are the same but they are WORSE than before. and, silly me, I thought they would get better. you know, with the juniors returning, a more experienced QB, OL coach with another year to teach his blocking scheme, etc, etc, etc.
I was fooled. our competence on offense is crumbling and we are in a real danger of losing the team.
I thought the 3 losses last year were the exception, not the rule. I also bought into the concept that his near firing would wake him up.
the loss did not change my mind the WAY WE LOST did. our problems with the O are the same but they are WORSE than before. and, silly me, I thought they would get better. you know, with the juniors returning, a more experienced QB, OL coach with another year to teach his blocking scheme, etc, etc, etc.
I was fooled. our competence on offense is crumbling and we are in a real danger of losing the team.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
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So...you were unhappy with the outcome, then? At the end of the day, all I've ever cared about was winning games...not HOW we won games. So...even if they were ugly, the outcome was what mattered. Keep in mind...people have been dooming and glooming his scheme for years on end, all the while he piled up wins. Think back to 2011...and you won't have to look too far to see fans bitching about how we were dominating teams. Had OSU been the opponent in the BCSNC instead of BAMA, he'd have almost certainly run his scheme to Title #2. Would we have hated that title? Truth is...Miles way shows that there was more than one way to skin this cat. For a long while it WAS successful, even if not as exciting as some fans would have wanted. For a while now, it has not been and it's cost us dearly... And as BHP stated, the reason you're seeing backlash now is that we were promised substantive change in the off season. That has clearly not happened, and a season with tons of promise looks to be as likely stagnant as the previous few when our offense struggles to move the ball against quality teams designed to stop it. Suggesting that people were correct in bitching while LSU won games ugly is silly. For frick's sake...all coaches eventually run their course, even the best ones. Suggesting there was ALWAYS a problem and even the wins were tainted is such armchair coaching...and largely why it's been so hard to enjoy being a fan for svereal years now.
Are you conveniently forgetting just how bad Miles shite the bed on 1/9/12? Regardless of who the opponent was that day, that game plan was putrid.
We should have known something was bad when we barely had any offense in the SEC champ game, but our talent won that one.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:37 am to Lou Pai
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We are a results-driven society. You get evaluated and paid for results, it's human nature. But in order to get repeatable, consistent, quality results, you have to focus on what you can control. Some call this the process, mate.
Correct...and we were getting that, weren't we though?
2005 11-2 (7-1)
2006 11-2 (6-2)
2007 12-2 (6-2)
2008 8-5 (3-5)
2009 9-4 (5-3)
2010 11-2 (6-2)
2011 13-1 (8-0)
2012 10-3 (6-2)
2013 10-3 (5-3)
2014 8-5 (4-4)
2015 9-3 (5-3)
What part of that record isn't what you just described? You've basically got two outlier seasons in 2008 and 2009 when our QB situation was piss poor and again in 2014 for much the same reason. None of that absolves Miles of the responsibility of recruiting and developing solid QB's...but other than those seasons we're talking about a great run...EVEN WITH missed opportunities within there.
I think what you, and others, means to say is that he's under-performed to the expectations we have of the program...and, that's true. But you don't need to pretend the guy's tenure has been an abortion to state that things could have been better than really good.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:38 am to Open Your Eyes
Last year I was among those who wanted Miles gone. But then, he got a reprieve. So between promises to change/open up the offense, good off-season hires, and an excellent recruiting class, I bought into the hype to the point that I was willing to give Les a chance. Show me that you were sincere in getting this thing turned around.
Saturday demonstrated that Les learned NOTHING from his "near death" experience last November. So there's no point in continuing to indulge a man who refuses to learn, adapt, and change. Cut the cord now, minimize our collateral damage, and move forward. Do not delay the inevitable.
Saturday demonstrated that Les learned NOTHING from his "near death" experience last November. So there's no point in continuing to indulge a man who refuses to learn, adapt, and change. Cut the cord now, minimize our collateral damage, and move forward. Do not delay the inevitable.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:39 am to Open Your Eyes
Now that special teams and defense aren't bailing out the offense, even the stubbornest Les supporters have realized how bad his scheme is.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:39 am to Open Your Eyes
Winning solves everything. Just the way it is.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:40 am to Open Your Eyes
It started when we couldnt cross the 50 yard line in the national championship game!
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:43 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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You were correct before I was. That is all.
Nah...I'm not gonna' concede that. Call me stubborn, but frick that noise.
There is a contingent of LSU fans that have been wanting to fire this guy since he walked out onto the turf in Arzinoa State for his first HOME GAME as coach wearing an earpiece instead of headphones, and then doubled down on that the following week losing to TENN at home.
No...those folks weren't right then. You don;t get to claim the sky is falling, and then some day WAY in the future it finally does and get to claim you were right all along...just don't mind all those days of non-falling sky.
Coaches' times come and go. It's rare that they leave before the fall comes, and it's frickING EASY to go back and look at where the fall started, but non-stop bitching by some of our fans have made it impossible to judge their criticisms honestly.
And by the way...is that what we're doing now..."I told ya' so?" frick...
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
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At the end of the day, all I've ever cared about was winning games...not HOW we won games. So...even if they were ugly, the outcome was what mattered.
Then why are you up in arms about the change you were allegedly promised not occurring, after just 1 loss? After Lsu wins this weekend, all will be right in the world, won't it?
Why are you worried about the possibilities of the season moving forward when, as you pointed out, this offense has yielded plenty of wins in the past? Les Miles' w/l record is still at 80% isn't it?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:43 am to Open Your Eyes
nobody GAF about performance for years and just took the ugly wins.
eventually performance will catch up to your results.
Now it has.
eventually performance will catch up to your results.
Now it has.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:46 am to jp001
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It started when we couldnt cross the 50 yard line in the national championship game!
No, it really didn't. The offense has been deteriorating every year since 2008, with one nice blip in 2013.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:46 am to 33inNC
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Are you conveniently forgetting just how bad Miles shite the bed on 1/9/12?
Nope...but I'm also not forgetting what was the greatest season in our program's history either because of one horrendous game. It was a PUTRID game plan, and it was obvious from jump street we were fricked beyond measure in that game. but...even with the exact same plan, anyone doubt we'd have prison raped OSU in that game had we faced them? If not, then are we still mad that team goes 14-0, wins the title but does so in a way we didn't find appealing?
I'm saying no...which means outcomes do matter.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:48 am to Fat Bastard
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eventually performance will catch up to your results.
That's right. Ugly wins are wonderful until suddenly the special teams or defense doesn't make that magical play and it becomes a close loss. This is why some of us have been fussing about the offense for years, even after wins, Bc LSU always struggled too much against inferior talent.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:49 am to Fat Bastard
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nobody GAF about performance for years and just took the ugly wins.
See...I disagree. I was "bothered" by the performance. I was just not ready to fire the dude. And, to be honest, if NOTHING happened last season, I would likely STILL be "frustrated, but supportive".
However, the drame DID happen. Miles WAS nearly fired. Miles DID give some indication (assurance?) of change. Then, he failed to deliver.
See, if a child is "mischievous"...I can kind of tolerate and accept it. BUT, after he is CAUGHT and he promises to change, if he does the EXACT SAME "offense" (pun intended)...I expect there to be greater consequences.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:52 am to Open Your Eyes
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Then why are you up in arms about the change you were allegedly promised not occurring, after just 1 loss?
Both BHP and I have answered this already...go back and read it.
But in case you can't scroll back...because after the stay of execution, I thought change was coming. His way HAD worked, up to a point and up until recently. the fact that it hasn't been as successful recently is no indication it was always bad.
Put another way, I was both a fan of it and perfectly fine with it while it was churning out wins. Others were unhappy even while it was churning out wins... I've quit being as ok with it as it's flaws have been reveled...again, a relatively new phenomenon.
So...a change was in order to get back over the hump. I thought that change was going to be much what we saw with the hiring of Dave Aranda as DC, and that would be either a new OC and a hands off approach by Miles with the offense or an actual new take on it by Cameron.
It was clear after game one that we got neither and therefore I'm open to moving on.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:53 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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BlackHelicopterPilot
Without question, my favorite poster on all the TD forums.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:55 am to Open Your Eyes
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Open Your Eyes
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So why all the backlash now? Is it really just because of 1 lost game? What miles said last night is true: it was just 1 game, all goals for this season are still attainable
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It's not the first time this team has played inexcusably terribly to start a season against an inferior team. It's just the first time Lsu screwed up the end of the game, not the inferior team.
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So is that really it? Instead of the other team failing at the end of the game, Lsu does and it's time for miles to go?
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