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re: Which past LSU team had best chance vs 2019
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:50 am to KC Tiger
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:50 am to KC Tiger
The only way to beat the 2011 team was to have a better defense than them, 2019 did not have a better defense than 2011. I think if 2019 and 2011 played 10 times, 2011 would win 6-7 games.
the best defense we played in 2019 was auburn at home. and that defense as amazing as the d-line was. doesnt hold a fricking candle to the 2011 lsu defense
the best defense we played in 2019 was auburn at home. and that defense as amazing as the d-line was. doesnt hold a fricking candle to the 2011 lsu defense
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:53 am
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:51 am to KC Tiger
2006 LSU was the best team in the country that season. Coaching cost them 2 games. That team, at the end of that season, would give 2019 LSU a game.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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y'all are sleeping on 2003.
Mauck is a huge liability. Dude melted in most big games in 2003.
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but if there's a defense that could have done it, it would have been 2003's,
2003's scheme would have been torn apart by Burrow b/c it was way too reliant on the blitz.
The problem is arguing how 2003 would look in a softer, more zone look. With its lack of natural pass rushers at edge, that's a problem.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:54 am to Grad92
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The only way to beat the 2011 team was to have a better defense than them,
2011's offense being so limited gives the opposing defense a lot of leeway. Your argument isn't very logical.
2006 is the best combination of offense and defense that LSU has put out other than 2019.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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2003's scheme would have been torn apart by Burrow b/c it was way too reliant on the blitz.
They said that Jason White would do that, too. 2003 shut him down and Eli Manning. This is all fictitious obviously, but I don't think it is in the spirit of the exercise to assume away a matchup by insisting that 2003 wouldn't try to put together a plan to actually stop 2019.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:55 am to KC Tiger
I’d love to have seen 19 offense vs 11 defense
I think 06 would’ve had the best chance though
I think 06 would’ve had the best chance though
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:55 am to therick711
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They said that Jason White would do that, too.
You're comparing Joe Burrow to....Jaosn White? A 2003 offense to one from 2019?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:56 am to KC Tiger
2006, great defense and offense.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're comparing Joe Burrow to....Jaosn White? A 2003 offense to one from 2019?
Yes. Shame on me in a fictitious experiment referencing something that actually happened in one of the seasons. How would you prefer we discuss this completely fictitious scenario? Should we also ridicule the fact that time machines don't exist? Don't bring your unjustified smugness into a purely academic exercise.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:00 am to KC Tiger
1987 team was very good, but I don't see how they deal with the 2019 offense. I also don't see how 2003 or 2011 could keep up, even with those nasty defenses. I would go with 2007 IF it was the version before injuries started to take a toll on the defense. That was a very productive offense with a great run game and would have a chance to play keepaway and keep pace in a shootout. 2006 was even more talented than 2007 but that team, strangely, sometimes had a problem putting points on the board (Auburn, UF, and even Ole Miss). But take the second half of the year 2006 team with all that talent and they would be a very worthy opponent, as well (oh, to have had an expanded playoff field in 2006 ...).
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:02 am to therick711
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They said that Jason White would do that, too.
exactly my point.
That was an offense that averaged 439ypg, and 43ppg, and managed 14 measly points on 154 yards against 2003's defense.
There was NFL talent everywhere on that defense, except at linebacker and you had a senior who played great college football holding it down in Lionel Turner.
The talent of the Dline of that team was far superior to the talent of the oline of 2019.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:02 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I would go with 2007 IF it was the version before injuries started to take a toll on the defense.
My main issue with 2007 is how deficient the coaching was. Bo Pelini was vastly overrated and Arkansas clowned him. Crowton was ok, but Les is a massive liability.
BraSminger and Aranda give 2019 an unassailable tactical advantage.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:05 am to TeddyPadillac
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The talent of the Dline of that team was far superior to the talent of the oline of 2019.
Again, though, the talent wasn't high enough to generate pressure with 4. That's an issue against 2019.
2011 could do that.
2003 required Saban's exotic (at that time) blitzing scheme to generate pressure.
It's an indictment on the pass rush ability of the DL
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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That was an offense that averaged 439ypg, and 43ppg, and managed 14 measly points on 154 yards against 2003's defense.
They're lucky they blocked that punt.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
"2003's scheme would have been torn apart by Burrow b/c it was way too reliant on the blitz."
This would be a big problem for 03. Even if you assume a couple of big plays, maybe even a pick 6 for 03, Burrow and his elite corps of receivers would just keep coming. I don't see Mauck & co being able to keep up.
This would be a big problem for 03. Even if you assume a couple of big plays, maybe even a pick 6 for 03, Burrow and his elite corps of receivers would just keep coming. I don't see Mauck & co being able to keep up.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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2003 required Saban's exotic (at that time) blitzing scheme to generate pressure.
And how'd that work out for the Heisman trophy winner....with his 154 total yards of offense in the championship game?
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It's an indictment on the pass rush ability of the DL
if you're trying to convince me that Spears/Williams/Lavalais/Hill are somehow not that good on the DL, then it's simply not going to work. They proved themselves in college as well as the NFL.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, though, the talent wasn't high enough to generate pressure with 4.
That's not accurate. Choosing to run a zone blitz scheme to confuse opponents is not the same as not talented enough "to generate pressure with four." Many sacks came from zone blitz design that only brought 4, just not the 4 expected.
Lavalais alone had 7 sacks and 16 TFLs. That's a DT. I'm not going to accept without any evidence at all that Spears, Hill, Williams, and Lavalais aren't enough talent to get pressure with 4.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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And how'd that work out for the Heisman trophy winner....with his 154 total yards of offense in the championship game?
Inferior QB talent and vastly inferior scheme.
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if you're trying to convince me that Spears/Williams/Lavalais/Hill are somehow not that good on the DL,
The 2 edges were solid at pass rushing but were not that good at pass rushing. They were 2-way guys who were much better against the run than rushing the passer. That 2-way game is what made them elite, in an era where stopping the run was more important.
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They proved themselves in college as well as the NFL.
Spears and Hill never proved themselves as any sort of plus pass rusher in the NFL.
Both were immediately moved to DE in a 3-4, 2-gap scheme.
Spears had 10 career sacks. Hill only got like 2 years but barely played and certainly was not anywhere near elite on the edge (he didn't even really play the edge).
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:14 am to therick711
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without any evidence
Look at their sack totals (Probably too early for pressure totals and individual wins), physical profiles, and play in the NFL.
What exactly makes you think our edge options were good at pass rushing?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:15 am to therick711
"My main issue with 2007 is how deficient the coaching was. Bo Pelini was vastly overrated and Arkansas clowned him."
I agree 19 was better coached, but I was clear that to have a decent chance, it would have to be the version of the 07 team that was not so beat up by injuries to the defense and you picked the very last game of the regular season as a counterpoint. I am no fan of Pellini, but that game had more to do with McFadden running over a defense that was not what it was earlier in the year.
I agree 19 was better coached, but I was clear that to have a decent chance, it would have to be the version of the 07 team that was not so beat up by injuries to the defense and you picked the very last game of the regular season as a counterpoint. I am no fan of Pellini, but that game had more to do with McFadden running over a defense that was not what it was earlier in the year.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 10:17 am
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