- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Where Jan. 9th should lead us.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:37 am to getback
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:37 am to getback
quote:
No reason to debate this because we'll never agree..
I'm really not debating you at all. I'm just telling you what the new reality is in CFB today. I've come to grips with it.
quote:
However the BCS system felt that BAMA deserved to be there.
The BCS System = The media. Make no mistake about it. In the BCS system after 2003, the media has the control. Yeah, there is a computer component, but that's roughly 1/3 of the formula now. With "quality wins" being completely removed as a factor, you literally have nearly 3/4 control by the media as well. Look at the formula. If 2011 had 2003's formula, OSU is in the game due to their wins during the season. The media literally has the luxury of blaming a BCS system they know they have a majority control.
This is akin to politicians who make assinine laws, then when the people object, they convince the people that it is the "government's" fault. Well, who is the friggin government? Same thing here.
quote:
Blame the system all you want, but it has certainly worked in LSU's favor before.
Yes. What did LSU, a "Tier 2" program, have to do both times in order to benefit? I'll give you a hint: It had to do with winning a division and a conference. Again, what did Bama NOT do this year?
quote:
You're mentality is the only thing that is 2nd tier.. LSU is as respected as any program in the country right now.
No. In my mind, LSU IS a Tier 1 school. When I say Tier 2 school, that is how the media treats us. Two completely different mindsets here. See my "Know your place" thread.
quote:
You wanted Okie Lite because you knew they were weaker than BAMA, and I don't know why you brought up a 2 loss Oregon who you had already beaten..
Okie Lite would have put up 2-3 TDs on us the way we played Jan 9th.
As a fan of College Football, you should have wanted Okie Lite too. Ask yourself this question: Had Okie Lite been Oklahoma or Texas, would they have sat at home?
quote:
and I don't know why you brought up a 2 loss Oregon who you had already beaten
We had also beaten Bama as well.
Wrap your brain around this: Had Oregon taken a note from Bama and scheduled North Texas week 1 instead of LSU, Oregon would probably have played LSU in NOLA.
I can do this all day long. Oregon got punished for scheduling a tough team. Bama got rewarded for scheduling nobody, and LOSING TO LSU, just as Oregon did. Oregon won their conference.
quote:
The best team won, the system worked..
The best team? The season ended with a 1-1 split.
If we were under the NC awarding system in the 60's or 70's, LSU would have been rewarded a NC.
Think about that as well.
4
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:41 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
The best team won, the system worked..
The best team? The season ended with a 1-1 split.
If we were under the NC awarding system in the 60's or 70's, LSU would have been rewarded a NC.
Think about that as well.
Exactly. Years ago, the national championship was given to a team due to a season of winning, before the bowls were even played. The bowls were a reward for the season. Now, they are an 'unnatural' act to please a crowd. (kind of Like pairing a Bengal tiger and an African elephant in ancient Rome?) I don't think a playoff can fix this either. Our obsession with nice neat rankings is kind of funny though. We are definately in the 'XBox Generation'.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 12:12 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
EZE is right on with all his points.
The only way this mulligan shite will end is when one day it comes back to bite a Bama or a USC, just as they changed the system in 03 after USC got left out of the 'ship.
The only way this mulligan shite will end is when one day it comes back to bite a Bama or a USC, just as they changed the system in 03 after USC got left out of the 'ship.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 12:27 pm to Thunder Tiger
ESPN pushed the second game against the red people.They will always support Saban over Miles, it goes back to Miles not going to Michigan the first time ... he made ESPN look like idiots. The payback for that will never end. Miles is a PR disaster and the NC loss made it even worse. Miles looked like he was on another planet that night. To have such a good record he looked completely overwhelmed. We will not get the benefit of the doubt as a result.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:46 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I'm just telling you what the new reality is in CFB today. I've come to grips with it.
This is not a new reality.. Bama has been respected by the media since their was a "media".. That came with a tradition of excellence..
quote:
If 2011 had 2003's formula, OSU is in the game due to their wins during the season.
Trouble with this is it was 2011, not 2003, and that was the formula everyone agreed to..
quote:
When I say Tier 2 school, that is how the media treats us
Complete paranoia and woe is me attitude.. The media gave LSU nothing but love all season, after beating Oregon to start the year. If you believe the media picked the #2 team in the BCS, what does that have to do with LSU? If you are the best team in the country, why do you care who ends up #2? Because it's not fair?
quote:
Okie Lite would have put up 2-3 TDs on us the way we played Jan 9th.
So they might or might not have scored as many as Alabama, yet they deserved to be there clearly?
quote:
If we were under the NC awarding system in the 60's or 70's, LSU would have been rewarded a NC.
Claim it if you want to.. those aren't the rules presently in place..
Nobody cares about this except LSU fans and
Okie State fans.. an overwhelming majority of people believe the best team was crowned champions. And as for AP first place votes..well Okie State did get more of those than LSU. Wrap your brain around that..
Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:55 pm to getback
EZE is right.
And as far as
Please stop trolling.
And as far as
quote:is concerned, for someone who "doesn't care about this," you seem to want to defend this any chance you get.
Nobody cares about this except LSU fans and
Okie State fans..
Please stop trolling.
This post was edited on 2/7/12 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/7/12 at 5:42 pm to getback
quote:
Nobody cares about this except LSU fans and
Okie State fans
Here's two links from Husker and UT fans all calling the same bullshite we are. The truth is almost everybody cares about this except Bama fans and the lapdog media, 'cause they realize anybody can now get screwed the same way.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 2/7/12 at 6:36 pm to Thunder Tiger
Look, before the game, there was an argument that one other team deserved to be there besides Alabama, a legit argument, and those were some great links from December, but I shudder to think that the best team may have been left out of the game.. After all, that's what the BCS is designed to do.. Match up the 2 best teams in the country. This year, they happened to be from the same division, and LSU came up short.. Next year, somebody else will be complaining about something. I'm sure you could link a few idiots after Jan. 9th that say Alabama didn't deserve what they got, but probably not many outside of this site..
Posted on 2/7/12 at 6:40 pm to Celtic Tiger
There has not been some huge continental shift in college football because of January 9th.
The same rules still apply. Just win. And hope for a few lucky bounces..
Hell, Oklahoma States women's basketball team (?) had to die in a plane crash for bama to get a second shot..
We will never "dominate" bama. Just as we will never truly dominate 90 percent of the other SEC schools.. that's a stupid pipe dream.
The same rules still apply. Just win. And hope for a few lucky bounces..
Hell, Oklahoma States women's basketball team (?) had to die in a plane crash for bama to get a second shot..
We will never "dominate" bama. Just as we will never truly dominate 90 percent of the other SEC schools.. that's a stupid pipe dream.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 6:49 pm to tgerb8
quote:
There has not been some huge continental shift in college football because of January 9th.
The same rules still apply. Just win. And hope for a few lucky bounces..
Man, that's all i really meant..
Posted on 2/7/12 at 6:50 pm to Champagne
BCS losses have not hurt Oklahoma!
Posted on 2/7/12 at 7:02 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Good stuff, EZE. I am with you, prove that Bama is better with a 3rd game in Tiger Stadium. Oh yeah, 45 days later so that the media can get LSU ready by reminding them every day how bad they played on Jan. 9.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 7:50 pm to tgerb8
If u don't see the comtinental drift, it's because u r standing on the continent. It's huge....sched creampuffs and push PR, do not depend on strength of schedule and OOC schedule...its for fools......
Fools.
Fools.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:25 pm to lashinala
are you suggesting that LSU was depending on strength of schedule to be handed the national championship because they got there? dumb
Cream puff or #2 team in the national championship game.. win.. that's it..
Cream puff or #2 team in the national championship game.. win.. that's it..
Posted on 2/8/12 at 5:06 am to tgerb8
quote:
are you suggesting that LSU was depending on strength of schedule to be handed the national championship because they got there? dumb
How could that happen? The majority of the schedule is done years in advance. Oregon was the addition, and it absolutely helped LSU's resume. Unfortunately it didn't help Oregon, it kept them out (the chance you take when you play another highly rated team).
part 2 of this is why have an 'SEC Championship' if they are paired with a team from their own dvision afterwards. What's the point of a 'SEC Championship' then? It's become a formality.
This post was edited on 2/8/12 at 5:35 am
Posted on 2/8/12 at 6:17 am to Lacour
quote:
LSU is not going to dominate Alabama as long as Nick Saban is there.
LSU is not going to dominate Alabama as long as Les Miles is here!!!
Fixed it
Posted on 2/8/12 at 7:04 am to Bayou_Bengal@Irving
quote:
QB rotation
We didn't employ this approach
Posted on 2/8/12 at 7:49 am to getback
quote:
This is not a new reality..
Just wait and see. USC is already preseason #1. Bama = USC of the SEC. The blowhards are preparing every college football fan in America for an inevitable USC birth in the title game within the next year or two in some shape or form. With Bama winning it this year due to their mulligan, the blowhards will do anything and everything they can to help the "traditional" teams get in the BCSNCG. Remember, ESPN is about ratings, not about what is right.
quote:
Bama has been respected by the media since their was a "media".. That came with a tradition of excellence..
At no point in this thread have I stated Bama didn't have a strong tradition. In fact, it IS my point that they rode this tradition this year, just as they've done in the past. Like I stated earlier in the thread: If "Okie Lite" was Oklahoma or Texas, they don't sit at home. Tradition/perception/entitlement/media darling means everything in CFB today. That's been amplified now.
quote:
Trouble with this is it was 2011, not 2003, and that was the formula everyone agreed to..
Yes, I know and understand this. Wasn't my point.
Ask yourself this question: Why were "quality wins" removed from the formula in 2003, at the same time the AP backed out? I'll give you a hint: An entitled/media darling was "screwed over" because they played and beat no one that season......yet were still awarded a "half" championship for not even playing in the game. I have a lengthy thread about this topic I stared in November with several example of how the formula always changes when an entitled/media darling is hurt. Since an entitled/media darling benefitted in 2011, I expect no changes aside from other conferences being pissed that Bama got a mulligan.
quote:
Complete paranoia and woe is me attitude..
Not at all. See my "Know You Place" thread. I could care less. I don't watch ESPN, etc. Everything I learn about our media treatment I read here. I don't watch ESPN or other sports outlets outside of game broadcasts, and when I do watch games, I mute the TV. I could care less what the idiots have to say about LSU. I live in BR, I worked there for years, and I have multiple degrees from there. I know how awesome it is.
quote:
The media gave LSU nothing but love all season, after beating Oregon to start the year. If you believe the media picked the #2 team in the BCS, what does that have to do with LSU? If you are the best team in the country, why do you care who ends up #2? Because it's not fair?
You seem like a smart guy. Your reading comprehension is really letting you down.
Again, this is NOT ABOUT LSU.
THIS IS ABOUT BEING A FAN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
I don't know what else to say to get this point across to you. As a fan of CFB and LSU, I know LSU will NOT be in the mix every year. That's life. As a fan of CFB, I don't want to see Bama vs USC or ND vs TEX or tOSU vs Michigan for the title every year simply because of their brand, while other schools sit at home in late January after beating 7-8 ranked teams. That's not how it is supposed to work.
quote:
So they might or might not have scored as many as Alabama, yet they deserved to be there clearly?
In a system where "Every Game Counts" where they beat more ranked teams, YES. Again, I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about this. Based on everything we've been fed about the CFB regular season ever since I started following it, beating Bama in November should have been it for them. Done. End of story.
But nooooo, now we have "quality losses" factored in. This is getting rediculous.
Was Bama better in January? Yes, I'm not disputing this at all. But they weren't better in November.....
In the "Game of the Century"...
When "Every Game Counts"...
quote:
Claim it if you want to.. those aren't the rules presently in place..
LOL. No. I'm not a Bama or USC fan. I was just pointing this out. I detest programs that take this approach.
quote:
Nobody cares about this except LSU fans and
Okie State fans.. an overwhelming majority of people believe the best team was crowned champions.
You would be dead wrong here.
quote:
And as for AP first place votes..well Okie State did get more of those than LSU. Wrap your brain around that..
What does this have to do with anything? The AP, like beating Bama in the regular season, is IRRELEVANT. Why did you pull this factoid out of thin air?
Remember, the AP took their ball and went home years ago. Nobody gives a shite about the AP except the AP.
Wrap your brain around that.
This post was edited on 2/8/12 at 8:21 am
Posted on 2/8/12 at 8:35 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I don't think LSU wanted a rematch and played that way....
Posted on 2/8/12 at 8:36 am to Intrepid
quote:
I don't think LSU wanted a rematch and played that way....
I agree. It was a rub-in-the-face type game that lost interest in the beginning.
Page 4 of 5
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News