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What’s more of the problem with the balls/walks?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:04 pm
Mainly asking former pitchers; is it missing the particular spots they are being told to hit each pitch OR just plain inability to hit anywhere in the entire strike zone?
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 4:12 pm
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:06 pm to lsuag88
It’s the walks.
Auburn had 7 runs on 4 or 5 hits in Game 2 due to the 7+ walks we issued.
We had 4 runs on 10 hits at that time.
Auburn had 7 runs on 4 or 5 hits in Game 2 due to the 7+ walks we issued.
We had 4 runs on 10 hits at that time.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:09 pm to lsuag88
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missing the particular spots they are being told to hit each pitch
One would think this would still lead to some strikes being called.
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just plain missing the entire strike zone?
Seems to me more of this. Get behind in the count and get frustrated. Then walk the guy and it compounds onto the next batter.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:13 pm to lsuag88
Not enough fastballs are being called throughout the games. This is leading to falling behind consistently in counts.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:30 pm to lsuag88
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Mainly asking former pitchers; is it missing the particular spots they are being told to hit each pitch OR just plain inability to hit anywhere in the entire strike zone?
I was actually looking to start a similar thread but I will jump in yours.
I was curious if experienced pitchers noticed anything mechanics-wise on Floyd and Coleman when the lose the SZ. It seemed to me that each of them just lost their release points and were very inconsistent from pitch to pitch. You can watch a hot pitcher and they often look like a robot out there.
What is confusing to me is that both of them throw hard but dont seem to stride very far going home and tend to stay fairly erect.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:41 pm to Blutarsky
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Auburn had 7 runs on 4 or 5 hits in Game 2 due to the 7+ walks we issued.
We had 4 runs on 10 hits at that time.
LSU's walk problem seems to be in bursts.
So 8BB/9 isn't 1 per inning or so. It's two innings of 3-5 in several games.
That's not tight zones or just missing spots.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:46 pm to lsuag88
It’s a good question. After a while, you’ve gotta just tell them “throw strikes” and hope to run into outs. I’d rather 3 cookies down the middle than the BB merry go round.
At least when the ball is put in play there’s a chance for an out.
At least when the ball is put in play there’s a chance for an out.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:54 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
We throw too many pitches that aren't even close, dudes get favorable counts and walk. Have to at least make them chase more. So, missing our spots.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 5:00 pm to lsuag88
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What’s more of the problem with the balls/walks?
80% of it is mechanics. 20% is mental
Pitching is about repeating the correct mechanics over and over. I constantly see LSU pitchers falling off the mound when delivering pitches, and differing arm slots from one pitch to another.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 5:10 pm to OchoDedos
Constantly pitching backwards has caught up to us. Throwing off speed in hitters counts has lead to many of the walks. Full count sliders and curveballs that are thrown for swing and miss, not strikes. This worked well for us but teams have adjusted.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 5:15 pm to lsuag88
We nibble the corners even when it’s a 3-1 count. You can’t strike every batter out but that seems to be the approach.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 5:31 pm to lsuag88
Yesterday seemed mostly mental, especially in the 1st inning. Once you get the bases loaded, and even walking runs in, you’ve got to give up on painting corners and just throw strikes. Seemed like they couldn’t do that in the 1st for whatever reason, and lots of pitches were WAY off and not even close
Posted on 5/8/23 at 5:43 pm to lsuag88
The guy calling the pitches (not enough fastballs in my opinion) is used to dealing with major league players. I’m not saying that’s entirely the issue but even the worst pitcher on the worst team can consistently hit his location. If not, he never would have made the majors to begin with.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 6:19 pm to Double Down
The tighter zone has absolutely been a factor. But the only people who know what is going on are the coaches and the players.
Maybe in pens the guys are sharp and looking good, but then they can't repeat it with any real consistency during the games. I think it is safe to assume that Wes isn't calling pitches he knows his guys can't execute.
Other than Skenes and Edwards pretty much all of the other pitchers have been inconsistent from appearance to appearance.
I just think the coaches have little idea what they are gonna get from appearance to appearance outside of Skenes right now.
In hindsight, a guy like Gervase would have been huge for this team at the back end of games given his solid command last year.
Maybe in pens the guys are sharp and looking good, but then they can't repeat it with any real consistency during the games. I think it is safe to assume that Wes isn't calling pitches he knows his guys can't execute.
Other than Skenes and Edwards pretty much all of the other pitchers have been inconsistent from appearance to appearance.
I just think the coaches have little idea what they are gonna get from appearance to appearance outside of Skenes right now.
In hindsight, a guy like Gervase would have been huge for this team at the back end of games given his solid command last year.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:20 am to lsuag88
In all my experiences if you lose three starter quality pitchers to injuries for the year this is the results. After Skeenes we are more than likely throwing guys that maybe wouldn’t even be midweek game starters. But NO one is mentioning this. Is the coaches fault or this or that. The injury bug killed this staff.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:28 am to Tigersonfire
As a former pitcher, I'd say it's more the mental side, for Floyd and Little and also others. I've seen multiple times where they get in a groove and they pitch well. You can see in their results that teams don't have very high batting averages off of them. But something happens in a game to throw them off and they have trouble recovering mentally. Saturday, it was the ridiculous 4th inning balk call and then 5-minute ice-job by AUB's coach that should've never been allowed to happen. It was an immediate difference in Floyd after that. For Little, I think it just snowballed Sunday. We've all heard it before, but it's true, they stop pitching and start aiming, and that never works. In my opinion, they're not mostly nibbling and barely missing causing walks.. when it's going bad, they're missing bad often to where it's not even close. In my opinion, you don't get to college and on the pitching staff at LSU if you can't pitch.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:36 am to lsuag88
At times, it's been a small zone but, more times, we're just not even throwing competitive pitches.
Once the book is out that a pitching staff has trouble throwing strikes, hitters are more selective...and the small zone becomes more of an issue.
Once the book is out that a pitching staff has trouble throwing strikes, hitters are more selective...and the small zone becomes more of an issue.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:53 am to SoloTiger
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Maybe in pens the guys are sharp and looking good, but then they can't repeat it with any real consistency during the games.
Frustrating to see them step on the mound and proceed to throw 3-4 balls before a strike. Happens too often. Wes has to be thinking WTF.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:56 am to OvertheDwayneBowe
Usually in college it’s just missing spots imo . Especially if they get behind in the count. If you groove an 0-2 fastball it’s a homer so you can’t just throw one down the middle
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:57 am to lsuag88
My Coach would instill this in us. Pitch to contact! The best hitting team in the nation is only safe at first base .333 % of the time. An average hitting team is safe only .250 % of the time. While a batter that is walked or hbp is safe @ 1st, 100% of the time.
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