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Posted on 6/9/12 at 2:43 pm to Prominentwon
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but once ball 4 is awarded, the play is dead. Nothing is live
If that were the case, then a runner on first who is breaking for second on the pitch and ball 4 gets passed the catcher, that runner would have to halt at 2nd and not be allowed to easily advance to 3rd.
Doesn't work that way
Posted on 6/9/12 at 2:45 pm to geauxtigahs87
Agreed....runners have stolen 2nd off of a walk because they run through 1st and catch team sleeping...it sucked but right call
Posted on 6/9/12 at 2:45 pm to TJG210
PLAY. Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return. Ruling is that runner is out. (Force out is removed.)
Posted on 6/9/12 at 2:49 pm to willeteal
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In no way was he "picked off"
Technically, yes, he was picked off since that's how it's scored officially, and I have no problem with the out call. It was close and could have gone either way, but there was a considerable build-up of dirt/mud around the bag and tough to tell if toe was touching base or not. The umpire was looking right at it and determined he was not touching bag. Sucks when it goes against us but I've seen worse calls that were a lot more obvious.
As for the home plate ump not making an obvious ball call, there really isn't a way to do that when you have a big crowd. Even if he would have shouted ball, it's tough for the runner to hear and it's up to the runner to look in on a 3-2 count anyway. Ump can't raise his hands because that would signify timeout and a ball four is not dead. It's up to the runner to know the situation, be observant and not overslide 2nd base.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:13 pm to mattchewbocca
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PLAY. Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return. Ruling is that runner is out. (Force out is removed.)
I saw this online and agree with the post below, but still think the ump missed the call.
But this language is kind of interesting. Why does it say and the "and the catcher's throw catches him before he can return". Clearly S beat the throw.
Does that make a difference?
Probably not.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:21 pm to willeteal
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The difficulty is that for people who watched it on tv, his foot was on the bag the entire time.
You need to invest in a dvr. It was obvious on slow mo there was space between the foot and the bag.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:24 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth Do your fricking job and inform the runner it's ball 4.
Like how? Text the runner while he's on the way to second?
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:25 pm to Prominentwon
quote:False. When a batter walks, and the catcher throws down to 1st, that batter better turn out or stay on the bag. If he hits first and turns in, the first baseman can tag him and he's out. Happens all the time in high school ball...but usually by college batters know better.
I'll be honest, I like to consider myself pretty knowledgeable about rules, but once ball 4 is awarded, the play is dead. Nothing is live.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:45 pm to willeteal
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But this language is kind of interesting. Why does it say and the "and the catcher's throw catches him before he can return". Clearly S beat the throw.
Pretty straight forward. He overslid bag, removing the force ... tag was applied while off the bag, runner is out.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:01 pm to kanibal
It seemed pretty clear from TV that what really happened was that the 2nd base ump didn't realize that it was ball 4 and called him out thinking it was a straight steal attempt. When it was made known to him that it was a walk, he fell back on the whole "getting off the bag like taking a lead" BS.
Even the SB pitcher and infield couldn't believe it. They kept waiting around like they thought they'd put him back on base.
Even the SB pitcher and infield couldn't believe it. They kept waiting around like they thought they'd put him back on base.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:05 pm to Informer
Pretty straight forward. He overslid bag, removing the force ... tag was applied while off the bag, runner is out.
actually his hand came off the bag after the tag and then he put his foot on bag and got tagged again. he should have been called safe.
actually his hand came off the bag after the tag and then he put his foot on bag and got tagged again. he should have been called safe.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:12 pm to Prominentwon
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Never before have I ever heard that a play goes from dead back to live after a walk. Never.
It is never dead.
If it is a wild pitch, obviously the runner can go to 3rd.
That was a HUGE play in this game.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:13 pm to themunch
My problem with this whole play is that it was a free base. The only reason Snikiris "overslid" is because the fielders foot/body was in front of the bag and Snikeris had to slide to the right. Though Snikiris SHOULD HAVE looked in and noticed ball 4, the pitch was pretty borderline with the strikezones today, AND if anyone should know if its ball 4 it should be the catcher and fielder.
Either way, Tigers win tomorrow.
Either way, Tigers win tomorrow.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:14 pm to Prominentwon
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I'll be honest, I like to consider myself pretty knowledgeable about rules, but once ball 4 is awarded, the play is dead. Nothing is live.
No.. Ball is dead on a hit by pitch.
Hopefully your knowledge of Nkemdich is as bad as the walk rule
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:14 pm to themunch
I personally thought it was pretty clear his foot wasn't on the bag when the tag was applied, you could see his foot move toward the base a tad after the tag. But if he doesn't slide past the bag, it's irrelevant because he is safe without question. Guess they don't practice sliding much either when it comes to base running.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:18 pm to tgrbaitn08
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This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:22 pm to Methuselah
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. When it was made known to him that it was a walk, he fell back on the whole "getting off the bag like taking a lead" BS.
Which was still the correct call. If you're off the bag, you're off the bag. Doesn't matter under what circumstances you're tagged out.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:23 pm to couvy1
It was just a clusterfrick. First, the ump doesn't emphatically call ball 4, then Snik doesn't look to see it's ball 4, then he overslides, and then the SB player is quick enough to tag him for the millisecond his toe is off the bag.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 4:27 pm to snoggerT
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You need to invest in a dvr. It was obvious on slow mo there was space between the foot and the bag.
I hate it but this. The ump should've yelled walk and he would've pulled up and stood up into second. I agree that was lazy on his part. I thought his strike zone was a bit inconsistent too. What killed us again was poor base running and poor decisions from the dugout. Stop stealing. We aren't good at it, the ground is wet and slow, and their catcher is a stud.
Tomorrow is a new day and hopefully our boys will show up and swing the bats. These SB dudes are well coached and they came to play but they are certainly very beatable. We just need some run support.
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