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re: What do you guys think about the game Crowton called?

Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48338 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:41 pm to
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I think it is obvious that Gary Crowton isn't the problem


Good Lord.

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- you don't just happen to call a good game.


You're right. Crowton (or whoever called the game) called a completely different game then we've called for the vast majority of the year.

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The Cotton Bowl showed what LSU could have done with a capable QB - JJ played his best game of the year - he hit the deep ball which opened up the run.


Or it shows what a QB can do (even one as inaccurate as Jefferson) when you utilize the middle of the field and make the secondary cover you in space. It also shows what happens when you use your scheme to set plays up instead of just randomly switching from formation to formation.


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QB play has been the missing link for two years now.


Story of Crowton's career.

If he's really a good coordinator, then he's the unluckiest human being on the planet.
Posted by Emergent C Steve
Death Valley
Member since Nov 2007
1736 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:42 pm to
Not sure!
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67599 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:43 pm to
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Im still not sure he called that game.


+1
Posted by Jake85
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2009
549 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:47 pm to
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Or it shows what a QB can do (even one as inaccurate as Jefferson) when you utilize the middle of the field and make the secondary cover you in space. It also shows what happens when you use your scheme to set plays up instead of just randomly switching from formation to formation.


Right - Jefferson hasn't thrown deep at all this year.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48338 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:52 pm to
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Right - Jefferson hasn't thrown deep at all this year


Off of playaction, maybe three or four times.

And once was for a TD against UNC.

Crowton is an awful offensive coordinator. Absolutely awful.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26676 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:52 pm to
Good lord. How many freakin' times do we have to go over this?

1. There was nothing special about the calls in this game. What you saw was a superior team executing against an inferior team. The offensive line opened up some gaping holes. LSU's athletes made plays.

2. God help us if that was JJ's "A" game. The guy hit on only 10 of 19 passes. His "B" and "C" games have been so bad, that when he has just an average game, people on this board wet themselves because it seemed so much better than it was. Yes, he hit TT for a couple of long balls, but he also BADLY missed on several others and was lucky the Ags dropped what would have been INT #2.

Those two things said, it was nice to see LSU execute its offense for only the 3rd time all season and get a big win in a bowl game, but we can't continue with an OC whose offense needs 5 weeks at the end of a season in order to execute properly.

Thanks, Gary, but we'd rather you not come back.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48338 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:57 pm to
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There was nothing special about the calls in this game. What you saw was a superior team executing against an inferior team. The offensive line opened up some gaping holes. LSU's athletes made plays.


True and false. The O-Line played its best game of the year and it may be due to Blackwell's return. However, offensively, this game was much different than the rest of our season. There was very limited use of the four and five wide formations. We implemented a lot of playaction (something we never do), and we actually set up passing plays a through several calls prior.

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God help us if that was JJ's "A" game.


I don't think it was. He played better against Ole Miss and Alabama (maybe even Mississippi State). He ran the ball well and our passing offense benefited from a change in scheme.



Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4723 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:57 pm to
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That was nowhere near any gameplan we have had all year. Instead of saying we were going to simplify the offense, we actually did. We lined up 2 TE, I form and pounded for 5 yards a pop. And to my astonishment, we didn't go away from what was working. We took away JJ's carries and gave them to Ware with great success. We minimized the read option. And since we pounded the hell out of the ball, we were able to set up the PA to our big fast WRs downfield.

Nothing of that game screamed Gary Crowton at all.


Every game this season we have run the option, we did in this game. We ran the zone read, we did in this game. We ran the t.e./pro set/power I, we did in this game. We ran the quick slant, we did in this game. we attempted a couple of deep balls, we executed it in this game and u.n.c.. it was the same offense.

The difference was, the wr's caught the balls, j.j. threw "some" accurate balls (first two series he didn't). the run game was working due to the offensive line blocking, not because the play wasn't called before.

j.j. did a better job with ball fakes. he did a better job of scrambling for first downs on third and long to keep drives alive. bottom line he played better.

did we have a few additional "wrinkles", yes. however, most of the offense was the same as all year. we just ran it better.

florida, bama, and atm, were all top defenses that we executed against. we just didn't call different plays in those games. j lee played well at florida, jefferson played well against bama, ole miss, and atm.

i found it interesting that d. johnson was saying how difficult it was to defend the lsu offense. he said this all game long. he said that it is so multiple and there are so many things to prepare for that it is very difficult for another team to defend. what would he know, he is only a all pro and more likely than not hall of fame full back.
Posted by TigerWilson88
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2008
1948 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:57 pm to
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Execution, execution, execution.


This always makes an OC look better.
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:58 pm to
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Im still not sure he called that game.



Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20761 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:59 pm to
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he hit the deep ball which opened up the run.


If you saw it that way and not the other way around then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1931 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:08 pm to
Most of us would have "called" a good game if we are running for almost 300 yards. It's when you are up against SEC run defenses that makes your reputation.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
15605 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:14 pm to
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QB play has been the missing link for two years now.


Detractor say that is Crowton's fault for not developing them. I think it's a little of both. Sean Payton couldn't have got much more out of JJ and JL this year, IMO of course. Gary's prob gonna fall on his sword for this one.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80270 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:17 pm to
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What do you guys think about the game Billy called?


FIFY he called a great one!
Posted by JGTiger
Member since Aug 2007
2941 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:18 pm to
Billy G called the game friday. Crowton will be stepping down by Wednesday.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14431 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:28 pm to
Execution was fantastic.
I give JJ some credit, his play-action/fake handoffs were really well done with the spin move, IMO only.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20761 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:34 pm to
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Sean Payton couldn't have got much more out of JJ and JL this year, IMO of course.


So you're saying that GC is just as good a QB coach and OC as SP?
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:37 pm to
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oh, he called the same game he did all season


Really? Cause I recall running the read option all season, and we certainyl did NOT do that in the Cotton Bowl.

I think Gary was told what to do, and went from there.

Run the ball and play action pass.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4723 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 2:07 pm to
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Really? Cause I recall running the read option all season, and we certainyl did NOT do that in the Cotton Bowl.


dude, stop. you're making yourself look silly. ware got a big run off the left side of one of them. jefferson got a good run off the right side on one of them.
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 1/10/11 at 2:19 pm to
MOST of the time when JJ throws deep balls...he just throws it...and HOPES that the reciever is close to where he threw it....

This is all QB coaching...JJ & Lee were 4 stars
they were not coached up...

Go back...LOOK...at Crowton's past records...BAD
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