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re: What are your thoughts on Moffitization?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:25 pm to tigersmanager
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:25 pm to tigersmanager
what evidence do you have that he has been passed up?
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
Lack of hot PED tests
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
The lack of push up front on offense and defense we are getting physically pushed around
Posted on 2/12/16 at 4:14 pm to tigersmanager
I spent 7-8 years as a personal trainer, I was certified through Cooper institute in Dallas. Ive held multiple certifications and taken courses in sports specific from a guy that charges 250$/hr. I train a few football players in offseason for extra money. As far as our D line vs Bamas, look how many DL recruits that were already 300+ when they got to bama. Same thing with LBers that were 240+ when they got to bama. They have also had better and deeper classes than we have until recently.. On the O line Stud was not bringing in the # of top recruits that bama was. OL takes years to develop, Grimes is doing awesome but we wont see all the results until his guys are JRs/Srs.... As far as actual training there are multiple small differences that trainers have BUT the movements used to make guys bigger and stronger are the same Olympic lifts that they have always been...It comes down to three things, 1.The motivation and energy brought by the trainer/teammates/the individual. It all starts at the top. 2. Having the right post workout and overall nutrition (for each guys goals based on the TEAM VISION and DIRECTION SET BY COACHES) 3. Supplementation(legal and illegal) to the players diet to maximize results. As far as HGH college football won't be able to test for that anytime soon if ever...there are SEVERAL different factors that determine the overall outcome.... The only way to know for sure if Moffitt has lost a step as a motivator is to talk to someone on the team or to be there during actual workouts to feel the energy or lack there of.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 5:06 pm to Jwsinsport
Help me get gainz, brah.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 5:08 pm to TigerTreyjpg
That Moffit should post more public lists of work out slackers, then one could better determine why some players significantly physically improve and others don't. He wasn't wrong on a few who made his slacker list a few years ago who had the ability but weren't close to maximizing their performance. Like others have written, some opposing big guys are genetic freaks with higher recruiting ratings and LSU hasn't had many of those on either OL or DL the past few years but that is changing. I think it took a few seasons for some of the existing DL who were backups to realize they were wasting a good opportunity as well.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 5:13 pm to km
I guess you didn't watch last years game?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 6:18 pm to Lester Earl
the biggest difference between them and moffitt is intensity. coach was the toughest SOB in the program for YEARS. within the last 3 years he has really seemed to not be so tough on players and not as intense as previous years. the players nowadays all have their phones in the weight room, clown around etc. it wasn't that way years ago. i remember him and skyler green almost getting in a fist fight the day after the florida game because skyler was having back spasms while squatting and he didn't want to do 90% squats. luckily mike clayton caught his fist and stopped it or it would have been bad. i dont know if there are different rules now (sensitive ncaa rules) or what. but tomorrow go in alabama weight room during player lifts and go in lsu and you will see a difference...
Posted on 2/12/16 at 6:43 pm to nolatrain504
That makes sense, I kind of figured he had lost a little fire and lowered his demands but out of respect for another trainer I didnt wanna say something that I wasn't sure of. If that is the case LSU should absolutely move on, I'd rather have a younger guy that may not know every little thing that's fiery and intense than an "old pro" that's lost his fire, the guys in the weight room draw energy from the trainer, its absolutely a draining job in that environment, and one that it's easy to see where an older guy could lose his edge.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 6:47 pm to SabiDojo
Sabi, what are you looking to do
Posted on 2/12/16 at 6:57 pm to Lester Earl
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Anway, You're wrong on both accounts. I dont understand people questioning someone that posts facts as i did.
I'm not wrong. It was a big shock how much weight Turner lost compared to his playing weight at LSU. That's what caught the coaches eye. Dude put in the work before the combine. That's why he shot up some boards.
Still doesn't explain why some of our bigger supposedly strong players do soo poorly in the weight lifting compared to others at their position.
I know its not about how much you can lift, but this has been a trend, not some one off deal.
Maybe I'm not putting enough blame on individuals. Like Gilmore, or tehuma, or Clifton garret. Those dudes seem to have had weight trouble that has kept them off the field recently. And one even transferred.
But you know how that goes, if you don't blame the coaches, you aren't a true fan.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 7:16 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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I saw us get physically manhandled by some Nebraska teams that had bought into the weight lifting / conditioning angle long before we did
Those Nebraska teams were roiding like crazy. Everyone was trying to duplicate their success, but no one could - except Oklahoma. Then, if I remember correctly, it all became obvious about the time Bozworth was playing.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 7:28 pm to Jwsinsport
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Sabi, what are you looking to do
I am just having a hard time getting jacked. I'm strong as an ox but I have trouble getting to that next level. I eat a ton and I try to lift as heavy as possible. My aesthetics just kinda suck, imo.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:14 pm to SabiDojo
Then why doesn't LSU dominate late in the game like they used to?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:18 pm to baobabtiger
The November slump is real.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yup - I think that :Mofittazation" as run it course. Ask bama and the hogs
Posted on 2/13/16 at 3:25 am to Lester Earl
2 and muther fricking 7 against Bama, Ole Miss and Arkansas the last 3 years...with one of those wins needing a miracle 99 yard drive led by AJ. Those same 3 teams all scored 30 points or more and beat us by double digits this year. Those stats haven't happened to an LSU team in consecutive games EVER....is that enough facts for you?
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:03 am to TigerTreyjpg
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Sure looks as if general consensus around here says it's time for a change. I am I just seeing a bunch of squeaky wheels?
First, let me point out that "general consensus" is redundant. There is no consensus that isn't general.
Second, As someone pointed out in another thread, Chavis was looking for a different kind of conditioning than old school football used to require.
Moffitt sure bulked up guys like Mingo, Debo and Kwon, who all came here very scrawny. Also, LSU guys sure seem to be well prepared for the pros in spite of not testing super-well in a few classic strength tests.
What's causing all this criticism of s&c is that our dline has been pushed around - a lot in 2013 and 2014, and a little in 2015. I say that's because Freak was a sissy and we started a true freshman and a true sophomore at DT in 2014. Those guys are coming into their prime next year, so let's see.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:10 am to Lester Earl
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like what?
Lester, This is why you're a prick. You made a very thoughtful post, right before the quoted one, defending Moffett. Your foil responded that the science might be "passing Moffett by." You respond "Like what?"
How could he possibly answer that? He'd have to be one of the top s&c coaches in the world to know what the cutting edge science is.
Your post has no substance. It is merely to quibble.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:14 am to Lester Earl
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our 2 best players in the NFL right now are ODB and Trai Turner
are you forgetting about Ty and Pat or sticking to offense?
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