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Watched Oregon and Bama games last night
Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:48 am
Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:48 am
And there really is a different Jarret Lee in both games. JL in Oregon was confident, crisp, stepped up, made plays and directed the game. JL in Bama was obviously scared, tentative with his throws, shuffled his feet and was thinking more about the rush than he was his receivers. It was easy for Bama to get in his head.
Wonder if the pressure of JJ on the sidelines was that much of a distraction, or if the pressure of the Bama game just got to him. Dude's a solid QB, as good as Flynn and better than Mauck, imo. He just shite the bed in the Bama game.
Wonder if the pressure of JJ on the sidelines was that much of a distraction, or if the pressure of the Bama game just got to him. Dude's a solid QB, as good as Flynn and better than Mauck, imo. He just shite the bed in the Bama game.
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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:52 am to tritiger
I think the difference was the intimidation of Bama. Plus, Lee did fine at first until #30 hit him. That was a very hard hit, delivered late, and should have been flagged. The Bama coaches almost certainly saw from film that Lee was more sensitive to pressure than most QBs. I think they told their front 7 that they'd take the penalty to get a quality hit on him. And it worked. And it'll work again. That's why he's not seeing the field.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 7:57 am to tritiger
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Wonder if the pressure of JJ on the sidelines was that much of a distraction, or if the pressure of the Bama game just got to him. Dude's a solid QB, as good as Flynn and better than Mauck, imo. He just shite the bed in the Bama game.
IMO the speed and complexity of the Bama D is just above Lee's capability. Throw in the pressure and force of the hits and he is going to make some big mistakes. He has good tools and can be very successful against average defenses though.
He's not in Flynn's league though...
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:00 am to ForeLSU
Agreed. He is not in Flynn's league.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:04 am to ForeLSU
lee has always been like that, if he gets no pressure then he is ten times better passer than JJ, as soon as it heats up he starts making crazy decisions ,id rather have JJ playing in NC game for the majority of the game , lee is situational in that game ,at least JJ will turn some busted plays into gains for the offense because of his feet....actually im scared to death of either qb in the bama game throwing the ball ,if we could take lees touch and accuracy and couple that with JJ arm it would be perfect, But JJ's performance in the georgia game throwing the ball was a complete disaster ,i just cannot figure out after 4 years why he still sucks at throwing the ball. forget about coaching if your a player you can make your own adjustments after an extended amount of time
This post was edited on 12/10/11 at 8:06 am
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:06 am to tritiger
This is not an attack on Lee;
against Oregon I felt he was competent, but not crisp. A number of his completions were to the receiver's back hips, which slowed them down a lot. He had the potential to have a much bigger game than he did.
Against Oregon he faced plenty of 8 man fronts, and was able to exploit man coverage. Bama was able to play a more balanced defense against him, and he looked lost for the most part.
I seriously doubt having JJ available to relieve him made him tense; if anything, FOR THAT GAME, it eased the pressure. He could take a risk or 2 knowing there were options available if he messed up. Against Oregon, it was him or no one.
against Oregon I felt he was competent, but not crisp. A number of his completions were to the receiver's back hips, which slowed them down a lot. He had the potential to have a much bigger game than he did.
Against Oregon he faced plenty of 8 man fronts, and was able to exploit man coverage. Bama was able to play a more balanced defense against him, and he looked lost for the most part.
I seriously doubt having JJ available to relieve him made him tense; if anything, FOR THAT GAME, it eased the pressure. He could take a risk or 2 knowing there were options available if he messed up. Against Oregon, it was him or no one.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:19 am to Penrod
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I think the difference was the intimidation of Bama. Plus, Lee did fine at first until #30 hit him. That was a very hard hit, delivered late, and should have been flagged. The Bama coaches almost certainly saw from film that Lee was more sensitive to pressure than most QBs. I think they told their front 7 that they'd take the penalty to get a quality hit on him. And it worked. And it'll work again. That's why he's not seeing the field.
Agreed 100% He looked rattled at the line after that hit. Had to make the change.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:37 am to tritiger
There was a hit that was put on LEE in bama game that should have been called. I told my wife right after that....he will make mistakes now because he his feeling pressure instead of being calm. A few min later he just throws it right too Alabama guy.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 8:40 am to tritiger
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as good as Flynn and better than Mauck
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:07 am to Hot Carl
In his defense, neither Mauck nor Flynn had to face a defense as good as Bama 11. Also, I've seen the top name QBs this year look very similar when they are getting hit. They just play crappy Ds for the most part and have all day to throw. Weeden against Iowa State is one example. Keenum against USM is another.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:20 am to tritiger
Haven't read a thread like this one with so much common sense and great analysis in a long time. The rant has possibilities.
Thanks for the good reads.
Thanks for the good reads.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:24 am to Tigerpaul1969
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neither Mauck nor Flynn had to face a defense as good as Bama 11. Also, I've seen the top name QBs this year look very similar when they are getting hit. They just play crappy Ds for the most part and have all day to throw.
this.
I am all for JJ being the starter. I have confidence that what he brings to the table is enough to beat Bama again.
JJ is tough enough to take a hit - and to dish it out a little. As long as he doesn't throw interceptions, I will take a sack or two, because in many sack situations he actually makes yards - just don't toss it up to avoid a hit.
JJ has impressed me since the Bama game. JL put us on his shoulders and carried us to 8-0 - but I think we lose to Bama without JJ.
JJ has earned the starting role - Geaux JJ.
I hope it is enough of a blowout win for LSU that we can afford to put JL in for some meaningful playing time in the NC game. But short of that he will have to watch from the sidelines.
Of course we might see JL if it is a Bama blowout and we are trying for catchup scores. Don't want that.
This post was edited on 12/10/11 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:30 am to tritiger
Lees ints vs bama went like this.
1st... bad low snap, he picked it up and threw it.. bad decision under pressure.
2nd.. just like GD said.. corner walked up, JL didnt look back over to see he stepped back out right before the snap... poorly thrown ball regardless, howevber it was a bad read Or should I say a no read by JL, that if he'd paid attention he would have never thrown.
If you noticed about JL this season, he likes to throw passes/patterns that makes him throw the ball before a WR makes a cut, he throws the recv cuts and boom the ball is right there.
It's fine if its read properly, which for 99% of the season he has done, but if not.. it can not work out too well.
1st... bad low snap, he picked it up and threw it.. bad decision under pressure.
2nd.. just like GD said.. corner walked up, JL didnt look back over to see he stepped back out right before the snap... poorly thrown ball regardless, howevber it was a bad read Or should I say a no read by JL, that if he'd paid attention he would have never thrown.
If you noticed about JL this season, he likes to throw passes/patterns that makes him throw the ball before a WR makes a cut, he throws the recv cuts and boom the ball is right there.
It's fine if its read properly, which for 99% of the season he has done, but if not.. it can not work out too well.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:32 am to ChineseBandit58
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JJ has earned the starting role - Geaux JJ.
no he hasnt.
If you say LM likes JJ over JL that is thrue.. to say he has "earned it" well
If anything he "unearned it" last week vs uga.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:40 am to TIGRLEE
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no he hasnt.
If you say LM likes JJ over JL that is thrue.. to say he has "earned it" well
If anything he "unearned it" last week vs uga.
Tigrlee,
Aren't you splitting hairs here?
By definition..."Earning a starting position" is getting to the point where the coach "likes you over" the next guy.
This is CLM's decision to make and no one else...it's clear he's made it. LONG past time for people to accept that and move on.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 9:53 am to tritiger
Great Kid, great Tiger, BUT, the kid could never stand pressure, once you knock him down a couple of times, he falls apart.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:01 am to Moots
not really.
When someone says someone else earned something, I tend to look at what that person did to earn it... can you point to what JJ did the supercedes what JL did this season that indicates he earned the job over LEE?
You are exactly right... however this isnt the same as saying JJ earned the job over JL.
Its not.
This is almost the same as people saying JJ has played great in bowl games... that's just not true.
He's played great in spurts in bowl games, and has played the same as he did last week vs uga in bowl games... yo uadd those together and it doesnt equal great.
When someone says someone else earned something, I tend to look at what that person did to earn it... can you point to what JJ did the supercedes what JL did this season that indicates he earned the job over LEE?
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This is CLM's decision to make and no one else...it's clear he's made it.
You are exactly right... however this isnt the same as saying JJ earned the job over JL.
Its not.
This is almost the same as people saying JJ has played great in bowl games... that's just not true.
He's played great in spurts in bowl games, and has played the same as he did last week vs uga in bowl games... yo uadd those together and it doesnt equal great.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:03 am to TIGRLEE
Are you gonna change your name next season to TigerMETT
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:04 am to burke985
should I?
I will if you want me to.
I will if you want me to.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:05 am to TIGRLEE
Just wondering .....I think so
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