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re: USBSF defending Jones' selection to Olympic team

Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:02 am to
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:02 am to
Everyone arguing with him, what skills do you need besides speed?
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:03 am to
Any other Olympic sports where someone is participating with less than 4 months of actual training in it?
Posted by LSU03
Tiger Mecca (aka Baton Rouge)
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:08 am to
Neither of them are even merely "top college-level sprinters" Lauryn Williams has a freakin' Olympic gold medal in track, and Lolo has two World Championships in hurdles and is still the American record holder in the 60m hurdles, so they are "top world-level sprinters" not just college. Just because she hit a hurdle in 2008, she gets so much hate, but she's still the fastest American woman at the 60m hurdles to have ever lived.

World class athletes are just that, world class, and they would often be capable of adapting another similar enough sport if they choose to...that doesn't make bobsledding easy, just like Jimmy Graham doesn't prove that playing NFL tight-end is easy.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:10 am to
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Any other Olympic sports where someone is participating with less than 4 months of actual training in it?

Apparently you don't understand just how "fast" Lolo and Williams are. They're not just some bums they found on the street or at an LHSAA track meet. They're world-class track athletes.

Why am I in an argument about bobsledding, frick.
Posted by LazyDaveD
Broussard, LA
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:12 am to
quote:

Everyone arguing with him, what skills do you need besides speed?


You have to have the mental aspect as well. She has Olympic experience. She's been under those lights, so this won't phase her.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:14 am to
I get that they are exceptionally fast.

Doesn't that show that to be good at bobsled, exceptional speed is really all you need then? The driver is the only one that needs any technical skill and even then, just know the track and you should be fine.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18136 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:15 am to
Good grief, it's freaking BOBSLEDDING. Apart from the guy steering the thing, the others are just pushers.

All you need are strong legs and the ability to explode off the starting line. Hell, they only push about 20 yards before they hop in the sled.

Really, people, where's the skill here for a "pusher"? Any fast sprinter with some strength could do this.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
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11554 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:15 am to
Yep^
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:17 am to
If we're talking mental aspect, maybe they should reconsider lolo
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:34 am to
Short heavy sprinters are the best.

Big, strong legs and great jump off the blocks.

You have to have world class speed and/or leg strength and also learn the rhythm of leaning with your teammates.

For the males, they can't be skinny sprinters. They have to be heavier set and still lightning fast/strong. Thats a rare combo.

Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:38 am to
Nah, man. Any fast fricker can just run on ice for 4 months and make the U.S. Olympic Bobsled Team. All it takes.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11554 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:44 am to
All you described was being fast and having the right body type.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:51 am to
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All you described was being fast and having the right body type.



being world class fast and be heavy set


Those people grow on trees, you're right.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11554 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:55 am to
Once again, not arguing how fast they are.

If that exceptional speed paired with only 4 months of training in the actual sport get you to the Olympics, then there is not much skill required in bobsledding BESIDES being very fast.

Run and push for 20 yards, get in sled and hold on if you aren't driving.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 10:58 am
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:02 am to
Yeah, once you get over that little bitty hurdle of HAVING WORLD-CLASS frickING SPEED AND BURST, bobsledding is a cake walk.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 11:11 am
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11554 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:05 am to
What about all those highly ranked European teams without world class sprinters? They just have normal fast people but have figured it out.

Don't need to be "world class" just need to be fast. 20 meters on ice doesn't provide much separation
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 11:07 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:05 am to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:08 am to
US's best guy is a 5'10" 220 Lbs and pops off the blocks like Trindon Holliday
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:11 am to
Our braker is 6'5" 230 lbs.

Holy shite thats huge
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:13 am to
quote:

What about all those highly ranked European teams without world class sprinters? They just have normal fast people but have figured it out.

I imagine they train their entire adult lives for it.
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