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Urban Meyer QB development myth
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:52 am
While I know everyone is excited about Burrow coming to LSU and largely lauding him as the next great QB because he was coached by WB savante Meyer, most of you really should realize Meyer wasn’t the reason for their development in most cases.
At Utah and UF, he had Mullen until Tebow’s senior year in which the offense was mediocre in comparison to previous years. Mullen was the developer then and it shows with his MSU QB record. Same goes for Cam's development while at UF.
At tOSU, his best years came with Tom Herman as his Qb coach and OC. Again once Herman left for UH, Cardale and Barrett struggled the following season in comparison and Barrett’s development halted almost entirely after that.
Then Herman goes to Houston and Ward improves dramatically in his two years under Herman.
Finally, Burrow got absolutely no coaching from Herman who left before he arrived, so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
At Utah and UF, he had Mullen until Tebow’s senior year in which the offense was mediocre in comparison to previous years. Mullen was the developer then and it shows with his MSU QB record. Same goes for Cam's development while at UF.
At tOSU, his best years came with Tom Herman as his Qb coach and OC. Again once Herman left for UH, Cardale and Barrett struggled the following season in comparison and Barrett’s development halted almost entirely after that.
Then Herman goes to Houston and Ward improves dramatically in his two years under Herman.
Finally, Burrow got absolutely no coaching from Herman who left before he arrived, so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:56 am to Geauxgurt
Eh. I guess what you’re saying is that UM isn’t the one directly developing these guys.
But I’ll counter by saying UM seems pretty good at hiring coordinators who can develop them.
But I’ll counter by saying UM seems pretty good at hiring coordinators who can develop them.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:56 am to Geauxgurt
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Then Herman goes to Houston and Ward improves dramatically in his two years under Herman.
Still couldn’t beat Navy.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:57 am to Geauxgurt
you couldn't just upvote one of the other threads that say the same thing?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:58 am to Geauxgurt
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so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
Shut up, compared to any recent coach (looking at you St. Les) at at LSU the man is QB coaching god.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:58 am to Geauxgurt
At the end of the day he has 3 years under his belt as opposed to 1 year with our younger guys
Either he's good enough to start over them and McMillan or he isn't. We'll find out. Competition is good.
Either he's good enough to start over them and McMillan or he isn't. We'll find out. Competition is good.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:00 am to Powerman
quote:Any opinion other than this is flawed.
Either he's good enough to start over them and McMillan or he isn't. We'll find out. Competition is good.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:04 am to Geauxgurt
Meyer, Mullin, Herman...
What do they all have in common?
They aren't Slinger Steve.
Burrow isn't gonna know what to do with all the moves Slinger is about to show him.
What do they all have in common?
They aren't Slinger Steve.
Burrow isn't gonna know what to do with all the moves Slinger is about to show him.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:18 am to Geauxgurt
Other than Prescott, it's not as if Mullen rolled out a "who's-who" of QB's at MSU. At minimum, it appears Meyer has a pretty good eye for identifying QB talent since he's had success at 3 different schools. Certainly, we can say he's had a better eye for talent than anyone at LSU over the last decade since the last QB's of note that LSU signed as Freshman were Russell and Flynn.
It's silly to predict with any certainty that Burrow is going step in and be an All-SEC player. However, it's equally as silly to assume Meyer had NOTHING to do with multiple years of solid QB play at three different schools.
It's silly to predict with any certainty that Burrow is going step in and be an All-SEC player. However, it's equally as silly to assume Meyer had NOTHING to do with multiple years of solid QB play at three different schools.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:27 am to Geauxgurt
Lol
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:29 am to Alt26
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"....certainly we can say he (UM) has an eye for QB talent..."
But I bet he can't spot a school of shrimp at 200 yards..like O
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:37 am to Geauxgurt
Meyer > than anything LSU has as far coaching offense and qbs go and it's not even close.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:41 am to Geauxgurt
Tell me the last time an Urban Meyer team had poor QB play. I’ll wait. Your argument is as dumb as saying Saban isn’t a great defensive coach because he has always had good coordinators. It doesnt hold water. Urban Meyer has ALWAYS had competent QB play regardless of what team he coached, regardless of what coordinators or coaches he had on staff. You can call it a “myth” all day long but statistics and facts say quite the opposite.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:42 am to Geauxgurt
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so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
Some of you can find negativity in anything...
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:42 am to Geauxgurt
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Again once Herman left for UH, Cardale and Barrett struggled the following season in comparison and Barrett’s development halted almost entirely after that.
Barrett became one of the most prolific QBs in Big Ten history.
I don't know where you came up with his development hitting a wall after Herman left.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:45 am to Geauxgurt
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Finally, Burrow got absolutely no coaching from Herman who left before he arrived, so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
Meyers specialty was defense and special teams. He surrounded his staff with spread up-tempo offensive minds. Hes not jimbo Fisher.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:46 am to Geauxgurt
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so please stop with the Meyer coaches up QB.
Interesting but if you had seen any of Burrow's interviews, he doesn't talk about Meyer being his QB coach. He credits others on OSU's staff for improving his delivery, footwork etc.
Look at the kids tape. He throws a nice ball.
Regardless, go pee in someone else cornflakes, preferably your own.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:55 am to Geauxgurt
good lord, man. Meyer hired the OCs that developed the QBs. That's what head coaches do. And I'm sure he was also involved with setting the offensive philosophy.
The top dog at any organization is responsible for hiring the right people, setting the direction, giving them the tools and resources to be successful, and holding them accountable. The fact that Meyer has had multiple OCs who got excellent QB play is an indication that Meyer is doing something right.
Sorry, but Meyer gets full credit.
The top dog at any organization is responsible for hiring the right people, setting the direction, giving them the tools and resources to be successful, and holding them accountable. The fact that Meyer has had multiple OCs who got excellent QB play is an indication that Meyer is doing something right.
Sorry, but Meyer gets full credit.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:58 am to smil3432
Barrett undrafted/Etling drafted what more can you say?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:00 am to IM_4_LSU
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Meyers specialty was defense and special teams. He surrounded his staff with spread up-tempo offensive minds. Hes not jimbo Fisher.
Meyer coached on offense (QB/WR) for 11 years before he was a head coach. He coached a defensive unit for 1 year before all of that. I would say he's an offensive guy.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 11:01 am
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