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re: True or False: Al Woods' biggest mistake - choosing LSU
Posted on 4/24/10 at 9:58 pm to Tigerdandy
Posted on 4/24/10 at 9:58 pm to Tigerdandy
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Those square pegs were good enough to smash Ohio St
Did Woods play in that game?
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Maybe Al didn't push himself 
I do agree that Moffitt is overrated, especially on the conditioning side.
I do agree that Moffitt is overrated, especially on the conditioning side.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:04 pm to Tigerdandy
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Those square pegs were good enough to smash Ohio St and win a NC. He hasn't had any problem adjusting schemes during 4 yrs of national rankings or beating the crap out of 4 bowls teams in 5 yrs.
Did we say every player was that way? No, none of us did. Miles has done a good job in his tenure here. All we said was they brought in players to LSU that don't fit their system. It happens. I honestly think the same issue played Keiland Williams. They didn't want an outside runner. They wanted inside and were determined to have it.
Simply put, you aren't necessarily a bust if your coaches don't use you right. Furthermore, if the team is successful despite your not developing, then its more just a fit thing. It happens on plenty of teams and all we're saying is that Miles and his coaches tend to not adjust to their players. Only year I saw it was last few games of 2006 and early on in 2007. Outside of that? nothing.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:05 pm to LSUMafia
if anyone saw al woods in the army all american game, he was not close to being the player mccoy was.
Secondly, he was lined across andrea smith. smith won the battle time after time.
it's very possible rivals over rated woods. Same with Joe Mcknight. wasn't mcknight like the number 2 overall player coming out? how was his "development"? he was coached by the great pete carol.
lastly, i've seen a lot post questioning the use of woods. Considering Chavis coached and "developed" albert haynesworth and john henderson. i think he would know what to do with woods. If you give pelini credit for the development of sue then that shoots your argument down for not knowing what to do with woods.
maybe woods shouldn't have been a five star player. maybe he's a good player but not the same type player as a sue, mccoy, ect. nothing wrong with that. it's not his fault others placed such high expectations on him that he couldn't live up too.
Secondly, he was lined across andrea smith. smith won the battle time after time.
it's very possible rivals over rated woods. Same with Joe Mcknight. wasn't mcknight like the number 2 overall player coming out? how was his "development"? he was coached by the great pete carol.
lastly, i've seen a lot post questioning the use of woods. Considering Chavis coached and "developed" albert haynesworth and john henderson. i think he would know what to do with woods. If you give pelini credit for the development of sue then that shoots your argument down for not knowing what to do with woods.
maybe woods shouldn't have been a five star player. maybe he's a good player but not the same type player as a sue, mccoy, ect. nothing wrong with that. it's not his fault others placed such high expectations on him that he couldn't live up too.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:06 pm to LSUMafia
Ezplain the 06 and 07 player adjustments if you will
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:10 pm to Big Fat
2006 after the UF game, the offense opened it up, particularly through the air. KW was used at running back and they adjusted the OL blocking.
2007 my point was using our players skills (i.e. KW, Holliday). Then we stopped using those players. Hell, we had Scott running all over UK in the 1st half only to have him benched for Hester playing with bruised ribs and obviously not effective.
On offense it has a lot more to do with the OCs though and OL coaches.
2007 my point was using our players skills (i.e. KW, Holliday). Then we stopped using those players. Hell, we had Scott running all over UK in the 1st half only to have him benched for Hester playing with bruised ribs and obviously not effective.
On offense it has a lot more to do with the OCs though and OL coaches.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:17 pm to LSUMafia
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Hell, we had Scott running all over UK in the 1st half only to have him benched for Hester playing with bruised ribs and obviously not effective.
wasn't it scott that was stopped on fourth down in overtime? secondly, do you know if ky made adjustments at the half? i would assume so. Thirdly, i bet you were all over hester's jock after the florida game.
now, who switched h. johnson from guard to tackle? q johnson from lb to fullback?
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
You're batting around .500 in this post. Not horrible by any means.
Let's start with the good:
This is the biggest disservice done to him. If it weren't for Craig Steltz, you could name an annual award for the "Senior Whose Redshirt You'd Most Like to Take Back" after Woods. As it is, we'll call it The Steltz Award, and without question give it to Woods for the 2009 season.
This looks more and more like a legit criticism, in retrospect. All the more reason Woods would have benefitted from coming back in 2010.
Now, the not-so-good:
There's not a chance in the world that you, or 99% of this board, know enough about high-level college defenses to know what "scheme" Woods was being played in. And not one person in this thread, to my knowledge, fit into that 1%
Oh, most folks know that 4-3 generally requires 1-gap DT's, and that 3-4 generally requires 2-gappers. But both defenses, to my limited knowledge, also have common wrinkles where the 4-3 needs 2-gappers, and vice versa.
Any football fan is qualified to criticize, so we can dispense with the standard "You're Right! Can't Criticize Miles 'Less You've Been a College Coach! Etc." post that we all know usually follows. But very few can legitimately make one this technical. And neither you nor I are among that few.
Your misguided distaste for Coach Moffitt is well documented here. What I'd suggest to you is that if/when we all get our wish next year, and we hire Jack Del Rio as head coach, one of two things is nearly certain to happen:
- JDR retains Moffitt as S&C coach
- JDR brings in his own guy, and Coach Moffitt is unemployed for less than one week
Rather than argue with you about whether, and to what extent, Moffitt emphasizes flexibility, explosion and Olympic lifting over combine exercises, I'll simply state that while you may be right about Coach Moffit's system, nearly everyone who matters in college football disagrees with you.
Let's start with the good:
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this for a very raw kid with a ton of physical potential. hell he wasn't even redshirted
This is the biggest disservice done to him. If it weren't for Craig Steltz, you could name an annual award for the "Senior Whose Redshirt You'd Most Like to Take Back" after Woods. As it is, we'll call it The Steltz Award, and without question give it to Woods for the 2009 season.
quote:
he was coached by a DL coach who simply did not even really coach.
This looks more and more like a legit criticism, in retrospect. All the more reason Woods would have benefitted from coming back in 2010.
Now, the not-so-good:
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scheme: he didn't fit
There's not a chance in the world that you, or 99% of this board, know enough about high-level college defenses to know what "scheme" Woods was being played in. And not one person in this thread, to my knowledge, fit into that 1%
Oh, most folks know that 4-3 generally requires 1-gap DT's, and that 3-4 generally requires 2-gappers. But both defenses, to my limited knowledge, also have common wrinkles where the 4-3 needs 2-gappers, and vice versa.
Any football fan is qualified to criticize, so we can dispense with the standard "You're Right! Can't Criticize Miles 'Less You've Been a College Coach! Etc." post that we all know usually follows. But very few can legitimately make one this technical. And neither you nor I are among that few.
quote:
moffit doesn't make strong/explosive lineman
Your misguided distaste for Coach Moffitt is well documented here. What I'd suggest to you is that if/when we all get our wish next year, and we hire Jack Del Rio as head coach, one of two things is nearly certain to happen:
- JDR retains Moffitt as S&C coach
- JDR brings in his own guy, and Coach Moffitt is unemployed for less than one week
Rather than argue with you about whether, and to what extent, Moffitt emphasizes flexibility, explosion and Olympic lifting over combine exercises, I'll simply state that while you may be right about Coach Moffit's system, nearly everyone who matters in college football disagrees with you.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:22 pm to dos crystal
Johnson went from tackle to guard genius.
Furthermore, if UK adjusted, why are we using Hester, who runs the same style as Scott, with bruised ribs? Explain that to me.
You are going to blame Scott who had no plays the entire second half and then is asked to come in on 4th and 2 after Hester again ran it 3 straight times? Wow.
I didn't say we don't make any adjustments. I said they don't adjust to their players all the time, and it hurts them like in Woods and KW's cases.
We struggled at RT, and had what NFL scouts called a Tackle in Johnson but kept him at OG instead.
In the end, Miles and staff have done a good job, but have made some mistakes just like others. The point is should players like Davenport and Woods come to LSU under Miles? They will be forced to change their games entirely and play AWAY from their strengths.
Furthermore, if UK adjusted, why are we using Hester, who runs the same style as Scott, with bruised ribs? Explain that to me.
You are going to blame Scott who had no plays the entire second half and then is asked to come in on 4th and 2 after Hester again ran it 3 straight times? Wow.
I didn't say we don't make any adjustments. I said they don't adjust to their players all the time, and it hurts them like in Woods and KW's cases.
We struggled at RT, and had what NFL scouts called a Tackle in Johnson but kept him at OG instead.
In the end, Miles and staff have done a good job, but have made some mistakes just like others. The point is should players like Davenport and Woods come to LSU under Miles? They will be forced to change their games entirely and play AWAY from their strengths.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
the complaints of the OP are interesting
but
I approve of having had him lose weight.
I think kids mess themselves up for life, playing fat.
To claim no one tried to teach him technique is silly. NONSENSE.
He has a job with the team in his area. If he plays well, he will be a rich man. And near his family. If he can JUST stick with the team at all, he will be among the top 1% of earners in LSU grads for his class, his whole life, and after 5 years in the league he will have a solid lifetime retirement.
Nothing could be finer. Your post is nonsense. He did well.
but
I approve of having had him lose weight.
I think kids mess themselves up for life, playing fat.
To claim no one tried to teach him technique is silly. NONSENSE.
He has a job with the team in his area. If he plays well, he will be a rich man. And near his family. If he can JUST stick with the team at all, he will be among the top 1% of earners in LSU grads for his class, his whole life, and after 5 years in the league he will have a solid lifetime retirement.
Nothing could be finer. Your post is nonsense. He did well.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 1:51 am to LSUMafia
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In the end, Miles and staff have done a good job, but have made some mistakes just like others. The point is should players like Davenport and Woods come to LSU under Miles? They will be forced to change their games entirely and play AWAY from their strengths.
Great, another "coach" who thinks they know it all.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 7:27 am to LSUMafia
The only mistake here is the Saints wasting a pick on him. 
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:04 am to LSUMafia
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All we said was they brought in players to LSU that don't fit their system
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm much more comfortable having a highly successful, experienced coach deciding what fits what system than having you or any other wantabee coach on here doing it for LSU.
All this system talk is nonsense in most cases. I'm not saying it's not there, only that it doesn't carry the day. A DE defends the end untill he reads the play and then attacks the QB. That's a little simple, but thats pretty much it. A DT controls the middle by attacking RBs, the QB, and frees up the LB. You can scheme all you want, but it all comes down to having to do the same things. At the end of the day, the player with the most natural talent, heart, desire, speed, strength, and mind wll own the day no matter the schemes.
The only time this square peg crap really means anything is when you run something special as with the veer or if you throw the ball 50 times a game or you play a 3 man front.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:10 am to Martin Blank
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There's not a chance in the world that you, or 99% of this board, know enough about high-level college defenses to know what "scheme" Woods was being played in.
Finally, someone opens the door for my comments.
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