re: Toss Power could have some competition

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Tigers_Saints

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What is a "winning play"? A "winning play" is checking down to the open TE for positive gain on 1st down to give your team a manageable 2nd down.

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You're confused. I'm talking about the 3rd down calls where we went pass but only put one receiver in the route tree for Harris.

No offense intended. But if you're going to discuss this let's make sure we both stay on point and don't mix what we're talking about up in an effort to criticize one side or the other.

The entire point I'm driving at is Less calling a single receiver passing play when you need a conversion, or at least as much yardage as you can generate in the situation before you hand it off to:

A.) An inconsistent at best punter and a coverage unit that leaked like a sieve and was receiving questionable coaching at that juncture.

B.) A DL that was overmatched against the top end of the SEC West due to size disadvantages (leftover adjustment from the Chavis regime where he went after lighter guys as a general rule).

You have to try to give your Special Teams, your coverage and your D as much room as possible there. So that even if you don't convert you're trying to flip field using that play and ST. If ST is a leaky boat, then the play needs to help as much as possible.

Single receiver routes aren't winning or even strategically sound playcalls in that situation and that's been my contention. They aren't winning plays in those situations in the game, and it points to a mismanagement of the offensive staff, the gameplan, the playcall. Whatever percentages you want to attach to those aspects of the program, that's debatable. But it's not winning football. You cannot argue against that.

Or you can look at what we did in our bowl game and build off of that. Taco Tech's defense was garbage, but so was A&M's and we didn't do chit against them. Better offensive scheme, healthier Harris, CC down on the field and better execution led to a much better looking offense. Watch how many toss leads led to positive gains...why?...because LF gets the ball quick and uses his great vision and lateral movement to find a hole.

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You're confused. I'm talking about the 3rd down calls where we went pass but only put one receiver in the route tree for Harris.

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No, I'm not confused. We were specifically talking about a 1st down interception.

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No offense intended. But if you're going to discuss this let's make sure we both stay on point and don't mix what we're talking about up in an effort to criticize one side or the other.

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Yes, you should try and do that.

Here is what you responded to:

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The point is to get the QB out of the pocket, where they were killing us, and the ball out of his hand. That was not a bad play call

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I disagree. If the point is to try and win the game, that's not a winning play. You can put the QB on the move. You can chip with a TE and keep a FB in and still run multi-receiver routes, or you can-THE HORROR-call an intermediate route with a mesh concept or drag route across the middle of the field that doesn't require a deep drop where the Rush has a chance to get to the QB.

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The entire point I'm driving at is Less calling a single receiver passing play when you need a conversion, or at least as much yardage as you can generate in the situation before you hand it off to:

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Which wasn't the case on the interception play we're talking about.

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So he can talk sh!t about the NFL being apples to oranges and criticize me for discussing it, but you initially bringing up is somehow perfectly kosher?

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In the context he used it, yes.

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but will defend at every end anything you attempt to discuss.

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Well when you talk about putting a first year QB in a position to succeed then criticize any easy pass, off playaction, that should have been completed to a wide open TE, you're gonna get some feedback.

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People confusing the plays I'm truly complaining about (the third down/single receiver pass play calls).

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You literally complained about the interception which
A) Wasn't 3rd down, but 1st
B) Wasn't a single receiver route


That isn't people being confused. That is you doing a shite job of explaining your position.

Sorry. I see what you're saying now.

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As long as we're clear: The Fans get when we talk about moving the pocket and talk of his injury is brought up to scoff at the idea of rolling protection or putting him on the move.

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No way a sports hernia injury caused him more difficulty as the game progressed. That isn't really how those injuries work. He may have not even realized he was injured until he actually struggled with some twisting motions....

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Again, this logic is so rich and compelling.

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Yea, you're logical.

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I remember when everybody kept asking why we don't run it out of shotgun more. Then that's what we ran out of pretty much the whole bama game and we all know how that turned out. Then everyone screamed to go back Under center. Ahhhh lsu fans

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It's not that Lsu runs plays that don't work. It's more about mixing it up and keeping the defense guessing. Being predictable in what we are doing depending on the formation we are in is what kills us.

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but what about when Les called for moving the pocket and throwing a pass that required accuracy on the play where Lee picked Harris off?

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25yd line /= the 2.

Actually bama runs this formation almost as a base offensive set with a TE. This allowed for them to keep the defense in nickel and unclog the line for Henry. It also makes the def ear lean inside because they don't have the advantage so it creates one on ones at the slot, where Ridley and that other white guy killed people.

Definitely one of the best dline's I've ever seen. We should match up much better this year when guards battle their D tackles