re: Toss Power could have some competition

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Shotgun runs give LF a few more yards of momentum that makes him even harder to stop at the LOS.

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Not compared to the toss dive or i-formation. The momentum is actually a plus for the toss dive.

Running back is going to be 5-7 yards back out of the i-form

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1:23 3rd Quarter, 3rd & 16 on the LSU 2 -


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One-man route concept. Dural is double covered. No where to go with the ball.

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1. We were on our own 2 yard line
2. We couldn't block Alabama, and we were passing out of our own endzone

You take a quick shot downfield there, and we almost made a play.

I mean that isn't really a series that you can put on playcalling IMO. The sack on the first play ended that drive against that front 7 out of the endzone. We lost the field position battle and that series is the result.

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there's that excuse again, as if first-year starters can't play well in college ball.

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Saying that Harris was a first year starter is not an excuse. It is a fact.

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6 of the last 7 national champions have had first-year starting QBs.

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3 of those are from Alabama which is a complete outlier from every other program in the country.
2 were Heisman trophy winners and 1st picks in the draft.
1 was a freak of nature 3rd string qb in an extreme QB friendly offense with the second best coach in college football.

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3 of the last 5 Heisman QB winners were first-year starters.

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Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Cam Newton

Exceptions not the rule. Like saying all sub 6'0" QB's should be great because look at Drew Brees and Russel Wilson. Yea it can happen but their are hundred of others just like them that didn't work.

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No, we don't. The Saints run a similar play to that 100x over the course of a season. A lot of offenses do.

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This is rich. I agree with you absolutely. The Saints do, and many offenses do. The difference is that they run MANY passing plays and are diverse enough from a schematic and formation standpoint that those plays are more effective.

Why? Because the diversity of formation and number of plays means defenses aren't as easily able to read their keys pre-snap and defend plays more easily.

We don't have a diversity of plays (we don't have a diversity of thought if you ask me either, but that's besides the point). This makes us easier to defend and when we run such types of plays from such a small number of formations then we literally start to box ourselves in. Nothing works because we don't really put effort into disguising, being multiple, or doing what those many other offenses-including the Saints-try to do in order to make those few precious plays they all share more effective.

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The point is to get the QB out of the pocket, where they were killing us, and the ball out of his hand. That was not a bad play call.

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I disagree. If the point is to try and win the game, that's not a winning play. You can put the QB on the move. You can chip with a TE and keep a FB in and still run multi-receiver routes, or you can-THE HORROR-call an intermediate route with a mesh concept or drag route across the middle of the field that doesn't require a deep drop where the Rush has a chance to get to the QB.

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Bitching about it is just idiotic.

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Because I disagree with you? Because I provide context? Because I don't just kowtow to the line that somehow not using the intermediate pass, a diversity of formation, or shading the C Gap with a TE and running 6" OL splits on EVERY DAMN DOWN is somehow ground-breaking and enough for us to be successful?

Newsflash: Les has proven it can't be successful. To everyone but himself and F. King Alexander. Who was more than likely only worried about dollar signs last November and not whether Les is capable of taking us to the Promised Land. But you keep on telling us how folks who bitch are idiotic.

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There is plenty to complain about with this offense.

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I knew we could agree.

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You can put the QB on the move. You can chip with a TE and keep a FB in and still run multi-receiver routes, or you can-THE HORROR-call an intermediate route with a mesh concept or drag route across the middle of the field that doesn't require a deep drop where the Rush has a chance to get to the QB.

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Your herniated QB has struggled with reads, and accuracy on basic pass plays and you want to do this from the 2yd line.

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Saying that Harris was a first year starter is not an excuse. It is a fact.

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of course I'm not implying that every first-year starter can win the NC or the Heisman.

But my overall point is that many schools somehow manage to get first-year starting QBs to play very well.

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ut my overall point is that many schools somehow manage to get first-year starting QBs to play very well.

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Harris played well at some points and bad at some points. Things that a lot of first year starting QB's do. He has the ability to improve. Will he? We have to wait and see.

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Thats what I'm trying to figure out. Could've sworn we stayed in I formation damn near the whole night vs Bama.

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Because the idiots say that. You have video evidence rt there that LSU doesn't just line up in I formation yet people continue to say that's all they do.

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Why? Because the diversity of formation and number of plays means defenses aren't as easily able to read their keys pre-snap and defend plays more easily. 

We don't have a diversity of plays (we don't have a diversity of thought if you ask me either, but that's besides the point). This makes us easier to defend and when we run such types of plays from such a small number of formations then we literally start to box ourselves in. Nothing works because we don't really put effort into disguising, being multiple, or doing what those many other offenses-including the Saints-try to do in order to make those few precious plays they all share more effective. 

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Reality, you aren't in it.

This is college football. Not the fricking NFL. Coaches get limited time to work with players.

TOSU, urban Meyer offense. Had trouble last season at times because the defense picked up on Jones clapping. The d would run up and start clapping and screw up their counts. Good DCs will find were the offense can be predictable. Chavis did it just fine most of the time.

The offense in college is simple. That's why for some of the most gifted guys, like cam Newton, it takes a few years to realize their full potential, grasping the entire offense of an NFL team.

I as well have a very faded memory from that game due to some PBR impairments...however, I thought I remembered being under center a lot early on. THEN, going in the shotgun, but not only that, but running Harris from the shotgun.....and during that time we got our FG and TD's.....then the INT to open the 2nd and Harris' injury, we went back under center.